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FuturePilot6 24th Feb 2019 13:11

Hi everyone

I am 20 years old and I am going to start pursuing my dream when I get my class 1 medical issued. I have decided to go modular, the aviation business seems to be good and stable (if brexit doesn't affect anything in EASA). I have the funds to do integrated, but after all I decided to go modular mostly because of the price, the flexibility and opportunity to start with flying than theory.

I'll start PPL in Southern Spain, after that hour building (110ish PIC) and ATPL theory full time. After this, I've planned to do the CPL ME/IR in Sweden, Diamond Flight Academy and after getting these licenses, APS MCC probably in SKY4U in Berlin. My dream would be RYR/SunExpress or even Norwegian if they have low hour pilot jobs available at that time. Modular can also be done in a quicker pace than in some integrated ones and in every integrated program I've seen, they start with the theory. In my opinion, it is better to start with flying and during the theory it is also important to fly to "maintain" the motivation.

I hope to hear some opinions about my "route" to the flight deck and also some other schools which are as good as (or better than) DFA in Sweden and APS MCC.

FuturePilot6

LlamaFarmer 24th Feb 2019 16:51


Originally Posted by FuturePilot6 (Post 10399212)
the aviation business seems to be good and stable (if brexit doesn't affect anything in EASA).

Monarch, Air Berlin, Alitalia, Primera, FlyBMI, Flybe, Germania, Cobalt, Small Planet... and that's not even all of them.

Wow and Norwegian are in very big trouble too.


So I would be careful about saying the aviation business seems to be good and stable.
We're on the edge of another recession and airlines are the canary in the coalmine...

Pilot.21 4th Mar 2019 18:12

ATPL’s RECENT EXPERIENCE of completing them in 6-8 months via Dist Learning.
 

Posted this yesterday: was moved to the backend one of the stickies page 46!! Much of the information is about 9 years old or further back. As atpls have undergone changes I Wanted it as a stand alone question anyway I digress. So distant learners are YOU THERE??


Hi fellow Ppruners; I have a few questions regarding atpls directed at the distance learners amongst the community.

those of you that are doing it distant learning; is there anybody who is comleteing the course within 6-8 months? (in the UK) I would like to hear from you!!
As the main atpl providers are quoting 10 to 18 months. ( that is average 15 hours a week for 3 months minimum )I understand that most people will have commitments outside aviation and try to fit it around work etc.

Also the new style of questions are now a completely different animal to previous years and thus questions are not so predictable; thus students now have to think more and rely on their own knowledge; which must be up to scratch come exam time.

Is anybody studying the distance learning but full time from home i.e. putting in about 30 hours a week of self study?? does your school allow for this or is their course structured so it is all metered out and they can control how long a student has to study before a revision week.

it seem to me that unless you can do a residential course for 6 months you are stuck with the long and protracted distance learning time frame anyone with recent experience contrary to this?

I would be a mature student and would like to get through them as quickly as possible but also understand that they are not to be underestimated in effort and volume of information.

I look forward to you replies

many thanks

thisishomebrand 7th Mar 2019 14:14

Weather dependant, but my instructors weren't keen to go above 2 hours of lessons a day when learning new things. Then once building hours you could probably do 3-5 hours a day.

WingsofRoffa 12th Mar 2019 13:14

I didn’t want to start a new thread but hoping somebody can offer some advice -

I have started my PPL and will build hours at my local flying school (Stapleford) and wish to eventually complete an ATPL.

If I complete the rest of my modules (Theory through MCC) with a flight school such as CAE/L3/FTA, will I be able to take advantage of their relationships with airlines?

Is it better to do all modules at the same school? Or all flying at one school and theory elsewhere?

thanks!


WingsofRoffa 13th Mar 2019 09:35


Originally Posted by FlyingGreek (Post 10415568)
The big schools may find you a job, but their priority is to their airline tagged cadets and integrated students so you would be behind them both in the pecking order throughout your training.

Stapleford have a good reputation among airlines and have one of the best CPL ME IR courses in the country with a very very high 1st series pass rate.

They won't sugarcoat anything and will be honest with you all the time without the sales pitch you will see from the big schools.

I would speak to the students there who are doing the advanced courses and see what their opinion is.

Great, thank you.

So after 24 months, with my shiny license in hand. It is then a case of waiting for a newly qualified DEP role to become available (like BA’s current one) or do you send CVs around?

WingsofRoffa 13th Mar 2019 13:14


Originally Posted by FlyingGreek (Post 10416480)
Normally yes, I would advise doing something like Wings Alliance who would monitor your progress all the way and then when you do the MCC they will assist you in your CV, interviews and finding you a job. Kura Aviation do something similar but only once you do their MCC course.

I am actually considering going through WA. Presumably they add quite a substantial margin above and beyond the schools standard costs for this service?

MJ2k13 22nd Mar 2019 13:26

Integrated pilot training query!
 
Hi,
I am going to be starting my pilot training in 1month (Integrated ATPL), however, I do not want to be doing my MCC/JOC with them as I’m planning on doing it with another organisation like VA, Kura, simtech etc.
My question is: would it be possible for me to do this and would I get some of my money reimbursed?
If it’s possible, do I have to inform them about my decision before I enroll on to my training or just let them know when the time comes..?

I’m looking forward to your responses!
Many thanks in advance.

MJ2k13 22nd Mar 2019 20:34

I agree, however, I have only recently decided that I want to alter my path to do my MCC somewhere else. Which is why I’m asking if it may be possible.

Danyal1 17th Apr 2019 10:23

How many ATO’s?
 
Hi,

If I choose to go down the modular route, how many ATO’s can I do my flying with? I understand the airlines prefer a maximum of 2 schools. Would this include PPL and ground school or just the professional flying?

Thanks

cavok_flyer 18th Apr 2019 13:21

I was at a different flight school for almost every step, and have had 3 direct entry interviews at different carriers. Why three? I am looking for the best offer :ok: Waiting for the Sim evaluations, now.

skyboy83 21st Apr 2019 15:20


Originally Posted by Danyal1 (Post 10449464)
I understand the airlines prefer a maximum of 2 schools

hahahahahaha. Come on! Don’t believe Flight school’s bulls**ts. Be sure that airlines really don’t care!

Speedbird 2652 22nd Apr 2019 20:41

Do airlines generally treat MPL candidates the same as ATPL holders nowadays, or will your type of license greatly influence jop opportunities should your MPL-ATO airline go bust?

A complete MPL automatically includes a type rating, so I’d imagine chances aren’t too bad on the job hunt?

Victor Golf 28th Apr 2019 19:21

I went modular and the life experience travelling to different countries in Europe was very valuable for me

Definitely would go Modular again if I had to start over, if you shop around you will be surprised how cheap you can do modular training compared to Integrated and at the end of the day you get the same licence

lmck95 29th May 2019 13:57

L3, CAE or FTE?
 
L3, CAE or FTE?

Having now graduated from University, I am currently deciding between the 3 main ATPL flight schools for an integrated course. Can anyone shed some light on the important differences between them, and recommend one? I have tried to forensically compare the three but they all claim high completion and employment rates, as well as a number of airline partners. FTE seems unique due to its campus set-up, but L3 seem to have a good employment rate. I have also read on another thread potential delays for L3 cadets?

All help is massively appreciated.

tolip1 29th May 2019 17:49


Originally Posted by lmck95 (Post 10481998)
L3, CAE or FTE?

Having now graduated from University, I am currently deciding between the 3 main ATPL flight schools for an integrated course. Can anyone shed some light on the important differences between them, and recommend one? I have tried to forensically compare the three but they all claim high completion and employment rates, as well as a number of airline partners. FTE seems unique due to its campus set-up, but L3 seem to have a good employment rate. I have also read on another thread potential delays for L3 cadets?

All help is massively appreciated.

If you are going L3, do an MPL course. Their ATPL course isn't fit for purpose, you will get it quicker going modular.

lmck95 29th May 2019 20:28


Originally Posted by tolip1 (Post 10482114)
If you are going L3, do an MPL course. Their ATPL course isn't fit for purpose, you will get it quicker going modular.

Thanks for that information. Why do you say their ATPL course isn’t fit for purpose? Any views on the other two schools?

Airbus380wannabe 4th Jun 2019 11:47

Pay as you go (Modular) vs Full time 0-Atpl (modular)
 
Hi guys, i Am currently 21 years old . My plan is to go to germany for lets say 3-4 years and make money to pay for my 50 k full time training with Bartolini and 35k for type rating . However I would like to know your opinion about this .

Is this a right way ? or Should i go Modular part time ( pay i as i have money) along with my job, with various schools.

The second way sounds more appealing to me since i wont be just working working and only after 3 years i can begin my flying . I also heard that doing everything in one recognizable school and having your fly certificates in short span is more favorable among hiring airlines . i would like to go to Poland ,Bartolini . Thanks

Zemer 25th Jun 2019 18:19

Hi,
does someone study his ATPL with careeratpl.com ??
Distance learning.
Thanks for any kind of information

Honza Tran 29th Jun 2019 12:28

How time span between modular sections affect my job hunting.
 
Hello guys as I said i am wondering if its smart to do my pilot training as I go(pay as you go) . Or save all my money and then do it in one haul. Does having long gaps in training affect anything? Thanks for your answer.


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