Training for tests!
 

Hello! I am wondering if their is any way to train yourself for the mental tests for the class 1 medical? I mean the simultanious capacity and memory and such things?

Thanks!

Ehhh??? The what?

Ah, the Doc is seeing if you're really thinking of training for this game right now. Then he'll certify you mental........:)

Chicken oriental. Tests?
 

The only thing I can think of is to take your brain with you... As I recall, the only mental test was to shine a light in your ear - light out the other side and you're only issued a class II.

Someone has been jerking your chain, I fear!

I think you need to do a bit more research young one!

Mental tests for the medical.....haha....****e! I must have the wrong class 1! :)

I am not good at saying it in english. I mean psychological tests.

From what I remember there are none. I stand to be corrected but not that I know of.

I wasn't asked to perform any Pyschological tests when I went for my Class 1 at Gatwick; and haven't as yet heard of anyone else requiring this. Although you will find lots of information on the Class 1 medical in the Medical and Health section.

Nope, no psychological tests. At Gatwick:

Nice lady tested my wee.

Nice lady did my ECG

The same nice lady did my Pulmonary Function Tests

And my audiometry.

AND my blood sugar, haemoglobin and cholesterol

A nice bloke checked my eyes (the longest bit)

And then a nice doc gave me a once over (no finger/ bum interaction I recall, but there was a funny ether smell in the room...)

Oh, and who can forget the VERY NICE people who took 300 quid off me!?

And if you look at the above, you can see that there's nothing you can train yourself for, you'll either get a medical, or you won't.

Good luck!

I have applied for a flight school. And they have informed me well that in order to start their training you need to pass the class1 medical as well as one day of psychological tests. Sorry if I didn´t explain well.

You get the medical but then you have to pass the schools psychological tests.


Cheers:ok:

Your psychological test isn't anything to do with your medical, it's done by the specific flight training organisation and they do differ.

You would be better contacting the FTO to see what they recommend for practise, although it's not something you can practise you are either good at it or you aren't.

They are standard psychometric tests - google them and practice online. However, since you won't know the score and type they are looking for, you can't pass or fail. You are you and you can't hide it so no point practicing.

The other tests (compass tests - google it) will be maths, physics, spatial awareness and co-ordination. The first two you can revise, the second two are harder. Keep playing the flight sim.

Of course, if you fail the tests, the school will tell you you have no aptitude for being a pilot. That is probably cobblers and you can always follow the modular route.

Cheers

Whirls

Yes but if I fali the tests it means that I will not pass the airlines tests. Not that I am planning to fail tough:=

Oooooh sh!t Whirls, think you may just be (inadvertantly) opening a can of worms there, put yer tin hat on :)

Sorry Frankly, you're right. I thought some may have grown up since the last pasting :}

Cheers

Whirls

Have a shot of this:

APST IPAS

It will give you an idea of what they are looking for, if you don't meet the standards, forget going integrated.

If you really want to know if you are good enough, GAPAN have a test that can help give you an idea it costs a lot less than a 70k loan for training that you could fail.

Does the airlines have apptitude tests? Can´t you just answer this simpel question without begining again? Mocking me and saying that I have grown up. I just have one question. Does the airlines have apptitude tests?

Never mind I will check with the airlines myself so you guys don´t begin pushing me around again.

Calm down dear, it's only PPrune.

Yes some airlines do have aptitude tests, some dont.

stict to playing tetris level 10,,,you'll fly through them then......lol...seriously just go in and do it, if they say you fail, it just means you cant enter their specific course, just go modular, it doesnt mean you cant be a pilot... dont take it sooo serious!!!

:D

What happens if you do bad at this test? Does it mean goodby to leading airlines and integrated and sponsored training?

I am about to take the test now.

I don't know what flying school you are applying to but frankly most of them are simply there for show, to give the impression that their product is only for the very best. In effect it's marketing hype. In that situation you will pass easily unless you are complete twit. What happens then is that you are told you have passed, now sign here and hand over the money.

Now some flying schools do take these tests seriously, but again you have to remember it's for their benefit not yours. They use them to screen out potential failures or people who might take longer to train, because they want to maintain their pass rates. This is important to them in order to maintain their reputation as a 'good' school. Which helps with future students and airlines looking for a training partner. This is particularly true of certain integrated schools with 'First Officer type training courses'.

It's all smoke and mirrors and salesmanship.

So Fabbe, don't worry about the test, you'll probably pass easily. If you don't either try again or find another school. These tests are mostly of no consequence. If you 'fail' it doesn't mean you'll never be a pilot. Don't worry too much about it.

As for airlines, some do as well. I know Aer Lingus even test experienced Captains. It's crazy but there you are.

Just imagine the scene, a tearful Captain being handed a tissue. 'I'm sorry Captain you haven't met the high standard we expect here in Aer Lingus but I'm sure an ex Concorde Captain like you can find work somewhere. Have you tried Ryanair? They'll take anyone.':E

Fabbe, stop worrying, you have lots of time to prepare for interviews, Psyc tests are just a very small part of some of them.

Okey. Cause that is what I was woried about. That I come to BA for example with my 8000 hours and fail the apptitude test.

For your information I have applied to the Scandinavian Aviation Academys upper secondary school program (gives you education and CPL/NQ/150 hour)

Talked to a student there and he said that more than half of the applicants fail on the psychological test.

Oh well I am 16 years old. Maybe I am not ready yet for the big apptitude tests like the serious schools have.:ok:

I did the IPAS test and it was not to good. You can get:

Unsatisfactory Satisfactory Good Excellent

I got two good, one unsatisfactory (math) and the rest satisfactory.

Just checking here now, since these results where no Einstein results should I apply for programs like OAA, CTC Cadett or Ethiad Cadett?

I mean is it worht applying for a AB INITIO program with these results? Does these results mean I will probably fail the apptitude tests?

Because I can still go to this school here in Sweden which gives you CPL for free.

So no arguments here now. I want to go Integrated. And I have the Swedish school as plan B. But if you guys think that this IPAS test shows that I will not enter the big Integrated programs, I will directly go for the Swedish school.

It is upper secondary school level so the tests there are not so hard.

Cheers:ok:

It doesn't mean the end of the world, but what it does mean is you're not as good as you think you are and you shouldn't have been so cockey to other members of the forum.

If you are that dedicated to joining and integrated courses I would recommend always doing their selection anyway and see how you get on.

Yeah but the thing is that If i don´t start in this free school in a few months. My shot is gone. So if I know that I can make the OAA tests I will waite. If I know that it is impossible, I will emediatley jump on the free school.

That was the reason for me asking if my score on the IPAS showed that I don´t have a high chanche of getting in to OAA/CTC/FTE

Fabbe, I woldnt worry too much about the IPAS thing. If you're looking to apply to any of the integrated providers- I would highly recommend you looking at this link.

Get a Head for the Sky - Airline Interview Preparation

It is tailored for students applying to cadet schemes and is broken down into 4 phases ( Sound familiar) each one detailing what you can expect from Application through aptitude tests to interview and finally sim check.

Have a look....

Look I will start at the OAA, CTC, EFT etc in 2-3 years. But since I want to know now if I can get in. Is it possible to do the apptitude tests allready now?

why dont you email them?

Thats a good idea as well. Or you could go and get the GAPAN test that will surely give you an insight into what is involved.

Either way I cant answer youre impulsive, what if questions in 3 years or so, we dont know whats going to happen 3 months down the line, so go do some research of you're own and stop expecting quick answers just from here.

Ps. Why dont you speak to Daria, as I think he's youre twin.....

One thing to remember before having too much of a go at Fabbe is that he's 16 years old. Remember when you were sixteen? A year from now is a long time for him, ten years is a lifetime. Impatience is normal.

That's what I would say to you Fabbe and all you teenagers out there, two years time you'll be 18, in four years time you'll be 20, six years 22. That's 2013. By then you will still be very young. (Which is more than I can say for myself.)

There is no hurry to do anything, right now you may very well fail the tests. Which I suspect will devastate you as you seem quite exciteable. In a couple of years you will have matured a bit and be better placed to pass them. Take your time. These tests prove nothing. They are either a filter for some schools and airlines to pick people to fit in with their idea of what they want from a pilot.

The most honest comment I've seen on these tests is on the Qantas website for the cadet program. Typical straight talking Aussies.

The same is true of any airline.

Don't worry about missing opportunities. Opportunities are like buses, you miss one but there's alway another on the way.

If you want to do the test, do so by all means. But at your age they're pretty meaningless. You should concentrate on your education and developing yourself into a well rounded, sociable person. Because strangely enough, apart from the competencies. The one thing airline recruiters look for is a well balanced person who they would be comfortable sharing a flight deck with. If anything that is the clincher.

Right now you come across on the internet as a bit of pain and just a little arrogant. If you're like that in real life, that will hold you back. I have a feeling though that the real you is a bit different. Well as much as a teenager can be a normal person:ok: I remember, how bad I was as a teenager.:ugh: People's internet persona can often be very different from their real one.

You have plenty of time. There is no rush or panic. A few years from now, you'll wonder what the fuss was about.

Everyone hates me online since I ask stupid questions and I seem arogant and stuborn. But I swear on my christian faith that I am not like that IRL. I am a very social guy IRL and all the people likes me and I like them:ok:

I'm going to hijack this thread and ask how quickly you can typically get an initial class 1 booked. The school told me to get my class 2 ASAP for my first solo (:E).

Anyway i have a week off work next week so i thought i would book a class 2 (because i'm going to get a PPL regardless of whether i can go all the way or not, and it probably won't be a year till i pass my PPL anyway). It can be done next week but it's going to cost £220 :eek: ergo, not much less than an initial class 1 - and presumably it doesn't feature the heavily coveted finger up the bum scan :(.

So i figured i might as well go for the Class 1 if i can get it this week. I rang LGW medical centre but i just missed the closing time for the phone line and it's closed over the weekend, so i wondered if any of you lot would know how quickly you can typically get a booking for a class 1?

Potential thanks in advance. :)

FABBE,, ur only 16, i spent god knows how many years researching schools and schemes, in the mean time i went to uni and completed my ppl. (and i still yet havent found a FREE CPL thats for sure anywhere) I did the Flybe sponsorship tests, they werent to bad, but after 4 times of trying I finally succeeded, so dont just give up after the first round but if you do, then you didnt really want it in the first place.

NOW ENDthis whole debate, and do some researching fabbe of your own, it will benefit you more, and go to a school thats suits you, not the schools with fancy booklets with nice looking picture in them just cause you like them.



RJIII - I reckon you can have a medical within two weeks of enquiring at the moment. Dont do a class two if you have the intention of gaining a class 1 soon, (waste on money) expect around £300 or so for it.

I don´t care how the websit looks. I care about the reputation and the hired statistics:)

But anyway this thread was about training for tests. So lets not start this which school is better again.

Lets go back to the training for test topic thanks!



cheers:ok:

You can brush up your Maths by practicing mental arithmetic - something which has been lacking in UK schools since I were a lad so not sure if this is something you get taught much in Scandanavia.

There are plenty of websites out there with mental maths problems of a practical nature which will also help you with your flying to some degree (i.e., burning fuel at 14 gals per hour with 40 gals, what is your endurance)

have a look at www.cockpitweb.com they offer software, at a cost, that should allow you to practice aptitude tests, numerical reasoning and psychometric tests similar to what you might expect from the airlines.

www.pilapt.com will show you the types of tests you may come across but you can not practice them on line.

Or you could look up pprune under pilapt to see if others have explained it better for your given flight school.

Hope this helps.

sollas

And for the hand eye coordination play some games (especially Flight Simulator if you've got it).

P.S. I did those tests got 1 excellent, two good and two satisfactory (i.e. not too difficult for you to achieve with a bit of practice) and I found the CTC tests to be preety easy (though I later messed up the interview but thats another story).

This is how I did on the IPAS test,

the scores are unsatisfactory, satisfactory, good and excellent

BALL GAME: satisfactory

TOTAL RECALL: good

MATH: satisfactory

WINGS AND THINGS: excellent

BINGO: good

score: 3914

Now this result wouldn´t had let me into OAA or CTC today right?

Well you're maths is imroving which is good and as I said the ball game one is quite easy to improve IMO, you're recall was better than mine (I thought I did awful at that but somehow got satisfactory). With CTC they have a maths test seperately (though I have heard them waving it for somebody who failed it but had a PPL), you have the ball game, wings and something similar to the bingo and then one other thing which combines the hand eye coordination, numbers counting down (have to push a button when the sequence changes) and bingo all combined into a 3 in 1 overloader test (which is quite difficult TBH).

I don't know their specific marking criteria (and they don't tell you how well you're doing for most of the tests) but just keep working at it.

P.S. I also feel obliged to mention that that school sounds to good to be true and if you've checked it out then thats what I'd go for no doubt.