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Re-Heat 23rd Jun 2008 12:44

It does rather shove it in one's face if you are to talk about your own personal wealth in such a manner.

Hedge fund, or proprieter of a bizjet airline - it does not matter. Many wealthy families have wasted their cash on airlines, and you don't give us any indicator of the success of your family's fund. Neither do you mention if it is fund of funds, proprietary, outside managed, emerging markets, or indeed anything else to indicate that you might anything other than a dreamy, young wannabe - exactly the people to whom this thread is addressed and to whom it should be a wakeup call.

I am at the coalface of the financial industry, and happen to agree with WWW. Life is dire here, many capable people are out of work, and more has yet to hit. The housing market has 15 sellers for every buyer at present, mortage banks are unable to function, and interest rates are going up to prevent the mess of the 1970s.

WWW's preference to fly for a living does not deny him the right to comment upon other areas in which he is interested.

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 12:47

Sketchy you are a mind reader i am in the ATP scheme already:D

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 12:55

dont get me wrong guys i was not flaunting sorry if thats how it appeared all i am saying WWW is full of bull i am saying this coming from a family that has dealt with economics for over 40 years and advises all the who is who in the business circle,and as of the bizjet company,its not ours we are advising..and i happen to have spilled the beans so that,all the wanabees can know that are not that bad.

PosClimb 23rd Jun 2008 12:56


and one thing is people will always fly relax
True, but the numbers of people who will be able to afford to fly will be a fraction of the current levels.

Better pray for a magic alternative fuel.

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 12:58

RE heat

WWW's preference to fly for a living does not deny him the right to comment upon other areas in which he is interested.

same as me i have a right to comment,

sketchy 23rd Jun 2008 12:58


Sketchy you are a mind reader i am in the ATP scheme already
Well congratulations fella! Though it is a pitty you used up all your foresight buying those oil shares...

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 13:01

SKetchy oh i had not seen your quote, and yes i did not want to ask for parents help but the oil speculators have bailed me out, i love them:p

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 13:08

It was courtesy of knowing people in the know how,i was advised to buy them,knowing oil value will always be up,never would i thought in a few years it would pay off so well it was more of lack than foresight...

Re-Heat 23rd Jun 2008 14:00

I didn't deny you the right to comment - I simply pointed out that your beliefs are far removed from the reality I witness here daily.

heli_port 23rd Jun 2008 14:40

sawaya you sound like a former pruner known as spacemen :hmm:

www over to you for the proverbial troll spanking ;)

sawaya 23rd Jun 2008 15:26

what a laugh ;)

Grass strip basher 23rd Jun 2008 15:27

This guy is not for real.... this thread has already seen a dozen like him (remember Nichebei Aviation?). Frankly I don't give a monkeys what dad the hedge fund manager thinks... for every hedge fund manager that thinks things "will be fine" believe me there are 10 that are short the market up to the whazzoos...

If you look at his previous posts he has splashed out a lot of cash on an ME/IR and was advocating spending up to €40k on a type rating with 300hr line training... he is in it up to his neck and trying to justify decisions he has already made... anyone who is prepared to pay for line training is part of the problem in my book.

If you are gonna make sweeping statements giving either a positive or negative stance PLEASE PROVIDE SOME FORM OF EVIDENCE OR LOGIC! That way you may add something valuable to this thread! (.... because my gran says so doesn't count.... unless of course she has a nobel prize for economics etc).

... and I forgot to mention this guy doesn't even seem able to write proper English :D

bArt2 23rd Jun 2008 18:04


And I suppose that you don't give a sh.i.t that there are people that can't afford to have heating in their house anymore in the winter and die by freezing

You are quite right i dont give a :mad: there are many cheap methods of heating a house,
Do you mean by burning the furniture, I do not know of any cheap way to heat a house. By the way I have no problems heating my house but I find it a pitty that so many people don't give a rats as,s about the misery of others. Anyway I don't want to drift too much off topic.

Bart

cumulus 23rd Jun 2008 18:55

Sayawa, do you work for P & O? The reason I ask, is that the thought that a semi-literate sociopath such as yourself might one day worm his way onto the flightdeck of a public transport aircraft suddenly makes me want to avoid flight at all costs...

Wee Weasley Welshman 23rd Jun 2008 23:04

sawaya has emailed me apologising for his rambled nonsense postings and promised never to post on this thread again. Which was probably best for all concerned.

I think he may have been drinking or something.

WWW:E

nich-av 24th Jun 2008 03:14


sawaya has emailed me apologising for his rambled nonsense postings and promised never to post on this thread again. Which was probably best for all concerned.
I can't imagine he e-mailed you and apologised just like that. I'm pretty sure you did something that would force him to do that.


Sayawa, do you work for P & O? The reason I ask, is that the thought that a semi-literate sociopath such as yourself might one day worm his way onto the flightdeck of a public transport aircraft suddenly makes me want to avoid flight at all costs...
Sawaya may not speak perfect English, but he may speak more languages than you do.

English is the common aviation language, but did you know that:

You need to be able to speak and write/read French to get a job with Air France
You need to speak and write/read German to apply with Lufthansa
You need to speak and write/read Italian to apply at any Italian airline
You need to speak and write/read Spanish to apply at most Spanish airlines
Same for Portuguese, Greek and Danish airlines.

Point 2. you don't need to be a master in English literature to become a pilot.


This guy is not for real.... this thread has already seen a dozen like him (remember Nichebei Aviation?).
Sawaya is right.
See, we've seen hundreds of articles posted by WWW and others concerning the housing crisis. How come they've stopped posting these articles?

2 points here:

Point 1: No one's posting them anymore because the housing crisis has not lasted 20 years as some predicted and there's nothing anymore about it in the headlines, simply because the crisis has vanished in no time.

Point 2: The guys who were posting them realised that housing crisis was not interconnecting with ab-initio pilot jobs.
2 reasons: -Reason 1 People who could not pay off their loans can not afford to travel
-Reason 2, interest rates increasing from 6.5% to 7.5% are a non-issue for people loaning 60K for training.

So what's the real issue at this moment?
That's right, energy crisis and the resulting food crisis.

Who are the potential actors who make crude oil sustain a value 4 times higher than its original value?

-Governments and lobbyists who want to make someone electable
-Western oil companies earning record profits
-Financial institutions that lost money in the housing crisis
-Private investors
-Opec

Out of these 5, I think the last is the least likely.
Somehow, the first and the second interact, make a good mix and can explain many things. A fatal question is: why would the US threaten the Middle-East with a new war if they badly need to lower oil prices? Maybe they're simply not trying to lower oil prices.

Only when and if the bubble blows, will we know who's behind it, because those people will lose alot of money. The least detectable will of course be the government.

Future prospects:
After the elections in November there will be two possible patterns:

-bubble bursts and oil price descends to a healthy 90$ in 2009.
-oil rises over 150$, OPEC starts quoting oil in different currencies than the USD. The US economy will crash together with the oil prices and the dollar.(also, a new war in the Middle-East, new issues, maybe even a civil war in the US because of desperation)

Immediate and easy solution?
Opec start quoting oil in euro or any other stable currency, making oil prices crash (because American speculators will no longer be able to hedge their falling buck into oil). Collateral damage: US economy to the ground.

Why is it not applied?
Because the US are still the biggest customer of OPEC, and unless OPEC sees demand from other countries decreasing strongly as a result of the high prices, they won't do it.

helimutt 24th Jun 2008 21:13

Looks like WWW wasn't painting a scary picture at all. Seems more like he had rather a more optimistic view than some. Has anyone seen the state of the world today? Gas prices to rise 40% further here in the UK this year. House prices falling further. Even India laying off pilots now. So much for far Eastern growth. Another US carrier (US second largest??) laying off 1000+ staff and pilots.:(

Tighten those seat belts, it's gonna be a turbulent spell.:sad:

heli_port 25th Jun 2008 05:34

Down-to-earth ways sought to cut airlines' soaring costs
 
Down-to-earth ways sought to cut airlines' soaring costs


CALGARY - Did that recent flight feel a little longer than usual? Chances are, it was.
As the price of fuel continues to rise, airlines are responding by trying new measures aimed at making flights more fuel efficient - everything from flying slower to reducing weight to using the planes' engines less.
"With fuel the way it is right now, we have been flying slower," WestJet Airlines Ltd. spokesperson Richard Bartrem said.


spinnaker 25th Jun 2008 08:31

helimutt,

Not just India. China has inflation running at just over twice that in the UK and in India, three times the UK rate.

The immediate future is poo.

Wee Weasley Welshman 25th Jun 2008 09:00

Certainly the house price crash is happening faster and harder than I expected.

The average North American house is now down 23% in the last three months and we are about 13 months behind them. The British Banking Association figures out yesterday were horrific for the number of mortgage approvals:


May 2008: 27,968
May 2007: 77,443


That is a 74% drop in the number of mortgages approved in May this year compared with May last year. The vast majority of house sales involve a mortgage so its a good indicator of why estate agents and conveyancing solicitors are going bust left right and centre.

This is 1990.

Prepare yourself. Avoid debt. I predict mortgage rates above 9% and a sharp, deep, recession.


WWW


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