Becoming a ME IR instructor takes care of renewal costs at larger FTO's but getting that job required lots of ratings and instructing hours and is not really a viable plan - though it worked for me.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...04/09/matt.gif

Oasis in Hong Kong has gone bust. So thats four airlines in the US and now one in the Far East that have announced ceasation of trading in the last week. Alitalia is on the very brink of going bust in Europe. BA share price is lower than Sept11th in real terms, the low cost carriers are cutting capacity plans and freezing wages, the charters are merging and 'gaining efficiencies'...

These are just the tremors people.


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peterinmadrid,

You dont renew a CPL, it is a licence. You renew "ratings". After achieveing your frozen atpl then all you need to keep current for job purposes is the IR. The MEP will probably become irrevelant as you will undoubtedly be applying for TP or perhaps jet jobs, where you will be issued with a new rating. The IR however has to remain current to start a Type Rating course. The first renewal can be done in the sim, the second must be done in the aircraft. WWW's estimates of 8 hours plus test etc are perhaps a bit OTT. Myself and pals included have had to renew IR's recently - an hours sim refresher and a second trip with an exaimner has been more than sufficient.

Had you been flying in the year between IRT and Renewal?

You get rusty very quickly..

Globespan CEO, Mr Rick Green has an article in the Scottish press regarding seeking a merger scenario...

Choose airlines carefully, especially ones that charge you for type ratings on top of what you've spent already!!!! Research the industry more than ever guys!

MIKECR,

I believe under JAA, a licence needs renewing every 5 years! At just shy of £300 quid!

OK if we're being picky then!! I think he was meaning more the rating side of things rather than the licence itself.

Globespan 'looking for a partnership'

By ALASTAIR DALTON
TRANSPORT CORRESPONDENT

FLYGLOBESPAN, Scotland's largest airline, is seeking a merger or acquisition to fuel further growth, its new chief executive has revealed.
Rick Green, head of parent company Globespan, has disclosed that the firm remains firmly focused on expansion despite its impending first full-year loss, caused partly by major problems with hired-in aircraft used last year.

http://business.scotsman.com/busines...p39.3956465.jp


Thats news to me - thanks for the heads-up. I don't like the smell of it from a Wannabe perspective.

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WWW, Checkers overheard in the LTN crew room that new hires were going on 6 month contracts. Have you heard any thing like that?

No. I doubt it would happen as the legal rights of limited contract employees are now extensive and the savings and flexibility limited.

WWW

And just in case no-one had seen it, i'm sure flap15 wont mind if I quote his posting in here:

I can confirm easyJet are only offering temp contracts to it's new Cabin Crew.

S88:ok:

So you want me to advertise here at ridiculously high prices to fill the rude moderator's pocket? Do you know that those paying for these ads are ultimately the students themselves?

Never heard of OPEC have you?

You sound like little kids who don't have a clue of what you're talking about. History's greatest pilot shortage is right in front of us.

I've talked to a guy today as pessimistic as you guys: "they say that the recession will progressively become global, 20% of homes in Cleveland are empty and being plundered because banks want their money back, banks will go bust, the US is going back to stone age, their lifestyle is unsustainable, commercial aviation will disappear, etc..." he said.

:hmm:

I said: this is what THEY say, whoever that is. I won't believe it till I see it with my eyes. It's not the first time that people make money by diffusing bad news.
And it's about time that the people in the US switch to 4-cylinders anyway, with the environment in mind.

Ha ha ha ha...that's funny! You sound like the bloke who sold me my CPL in 2001...

You're taking a BIG risk we these postings Nichibei Aviation, if it all does go Pete Tong as people think - you're gonna look like a right k*ob!!

Add Centralwings to the list of endangered species - they have massively reduced their schedule - see the website - and also talk with my angry sister-in-law who has just made it back to London via another airline.

Just one question: are you still looking for that first job, 7 years later? :hmm:
I can answer for you: it's a NO. I don't see what's wrong with you then, except for the fact that you need to grow up.

This is not a game, it's about people who want to invest in a job training.
The lack of serious reflects how little you care about these people and how little you care to help them. Why don't you give them website adresses of cheap flight schools instead of showing how we will go back to stone age?

Try this one: www.gsaviation.it or this one www.newcag.be or even this www.hubair.be (modular)

Nichibei do you therefore think people are not telling the truth/mistaken when they tell you about airlines that have recruitment bans, others are going under (Oasis in the past 48 hours)... and you tell others to get out of their bubbles and open their eyes!?.... do you honestly not think things have got significantly worse for pilot recruitment over the past 6 months??.... does it not worry you that pretty much everyone on this sight seems to place almost zero value on your input?? (Anyone wanting to stand up for his point of view please step forward now.....)

No wonder you are not working for an airline you must be a nightmare to sit next to for 5 minutes let alone all day.... if there was a "Pprune Prat of the year award 2008" the betting would have closed already on you :} I'm just greatful you make me laugh so much.... your posts always brighten up my day and make me feel better about myself :}

GSB,

Couldn't agree more :ok:, I don't think a team of comedy writers could come up with funnier and more 'original' viewpoints than our friend in Tokyo. :ugh:


The only reason I come on here now is for a bloody good laugh!

Statement A - There's a lack of pilots.
Statement B - There's a lack of quality pilots.

Spot the difference?

The truth is theres lots of guys out there looking for jobs who just don't have what it takes to a) get a job or be desired by an airline and b) have the natural ability to fly an aircraft. I remember hearing a member of management of a certain Oxford based flight school saying "if you've got a drivers license we can teach you how to fly an airliner". It's just not right and actually quite a dangerous mentality to have. I have a friend who's been accepted into a flight school who I know just don't have what it takes to work for an airline in such an important position. In some cases there could be as many as 200 passengers (or customers as my company now likes to call them) sitting behind a low hour FO and countless civilians on the ground...

No amount of money can make someone a good pilot. My view is that learning to fly simply installs the processes, methods and exercises the ability to fly well. Any instructors reading will, I hope, agree with me that there are just some who've completely made a mistake pursuing this career. Although they've spent lots of money - I cant help but think that they're just clogging up the CV in tray for those low hour applicants who really should get the job.

I'm not saying that I'm right - it's just my view. I'm open to criticism.

S88:ok:

I agree, which is why, to some airlines, integrated candidates are favourable because the element of risk is far lower in some cases. Those that weren't "meant to fly" shouldn't (the operative word) get through integrated selection.

What a load of tosh, there is no way that by doing some GCSE physics brush up and passing the "Entrance exam" that you can tell if a wannabee is going to be a success in the flying world.

Its just a ruse by the larger schools to give added value to the product that they are selling to Airlines and wannabees.

Consider the time and effort spent on officer and aircrew recruitrment in the RAF and still a large %age get chopped.

There should be a law against any company charging you to assess if they can relieve you of nearly 80k and then dump you onto probably the worst job market since the millenium. They will of course offer assistance with recruitment but only until the next course behind you qualifys.

If I was an airline recruiter and needed large amounts of "product" from the big schools to fly the endless orders of 737's sat at seattle then yes I would know what I buy and buy what I know, if however I was looking to recruit in smaller numbers (as it will be from now on) I would definetely be looking for somebody with aviation/life experience and some aviation related common sense.

What little recruitment there is will probably be offered to ME/IR instructors or higher time guys with instructor ratings. To say that integrated guys will respond better to high performance types because they managed to pass the OAT entrance exam is just naieve