A320 vs. B737 Rating
 

Hi there...

Could any of you offer any advice as to which would be the best choice on the above two mentioned ratings at the moment.

Also, if you know where and with who such a rating could be done, aswell as the aprox price I would be very grateful.

Thanks.

definately Airbus, aircraft for the future, prices similar I believe,25000.30000
Cheers good luck

If considering a self sponsored type-rating

I'd vote against doing it at all.

Jobs are still only a few and you may get the wrong one.

With major airlines - they usually do not really like self sponsored type ratings.
With others - it may be fine the make you pay for it anyway.

As stated before Airbus could be the choice of the future - but then wait some more time and get paid for applying...

I'm looking forward to a boosting economy with a huge demand in aviation which put's us pilots back on the controls... :}

Perhaps someone else can point out the nitty gritty details on this but it is my understanding that An A320 type rating will allow you to fly the A318/9/21 and A330 with only a bit of differences training.

The 737 rating will allow you any NG 737, (again with differences training as appropriate for the 600-700-800-900), but only for the 737. In other words, your rating will be useless for operators with the 757, 767, and, dare I say it, 777.

To summarize, a twin airbus rating will pop up up on more company radars than just a 737 rating. Or so I believe.

If you are going to Self Sponsor your Type (which I would not recommend on an Airbus/737 unless you have lots of cash - and then it has to be on an Airbus), why not go for an aircraft thats a little less competitive in the number of people looking for jobs (eg the ATR )?

just a thought ...

LTF

I used to fly Boeing before, now I am almost finished my A320 type rating. If you have decided to get a type rating I suggest you go for A320. It's the future and very nice airplane to fly indeed.

and the biggest bonus is you don't have to eat your food on your lap, there's a nice table in front of you to have your dinner properly!!!:D :D :D

A320:ok:

type
 

where do you get a type rating fo example 747-400 or the a340
or the 777 in europe nothing in the states

excuse my dumbness for not knowing ^^^^:(

GECAT do them, check it out.

www.gecat.com

type rating summing up!
 

Hi
I'm new here at this forum but I've read through most of the posts about sponsoring yourself with a type rating and I think there is a need for summing it up.
If everyboddy who has bought a type rating with or without line traning could just write a few lines saying wether you were able to secure a job or not and what your previous experience was.

I'm sure it would help those of us that are thinking of getting a type rating.
And please don't get in to the discussion about wheter it's right or wrong to sponsor yourself!

Cheers

Type rating question
 

I am checking this forum for a few months now and as a wannabe i have a question.
If you dont buy a type rating or if u dont get a sponsor(i am too old for that) ....how can I get a type rating to be eligible to apply for an airline job as a FO???
Regards
Luis

My opinion
 

Luis,

Buying a type-rating these days is one of the only ways for low houred pilots to give themselves a competitive edge. You'll always have the argument crop up - "Don't pay for a type-rating because you'll be whoring yourself out to the airlines balh blah blah". The truth of the matter is that to join a lot of airlines, YOU MUST be willing to pay for a type rating.
However, in saying that, the market is changing for the better and the whole paying for a type rating idea will fade out quite rapidly (but not disappear) due to simple economics i.e. supply and demand.

Wherever the industry is at, the only safe way to play it is to have a contract saying that "On successful completion of the type rating course you will be offered a contract of employment with us." I seriously don't understand people who buy type ratings just for the sake it, it makes no commercial sense. But that's me.

Hope this helps,

Simon.

THanks for the info.
Since i am just in the beggining of the long path....i will wait and see what happens when i get ready to apply.
I wont be able to buy a rating cause all my money will go to get the frozen atpl ratings....anyway...who knows right?
Regards
Luis

Type rating!!
 

Hi,

I'm looking for some information on ATR 42 type rating: in your opinion, what would be the best TRTO for this kind of type rating regarding the quality and price of the course.
Tks for your help.

Ben

Ben,

Try any of the following training providers:

ATR Training Centre: www.atraircraft.com/training.htm

Skyblue Aviation: www.skyblueaviation.com

DAT Flight Academy: www.datflightacademy.com

Good Luck!

try also the French place in Bangkok:

asianatr

I did mine with CSA, who prepared me very well for flying the aircraft after:

OK

they should be about EUR20000, VAT is 5% (cheaper from autumn, as they get their own fixed base sim)

cheers, IP

Tks
 

Thank you very much for your help.
If you have any other useful info, i'm still interested.
Good flight.

Ben

which type-rating? B737, A320 or Fokker
 

Thank you for reading this.
Could someone let me know which type rating would give the best oppotunity for employment?

I guess, airlines mainly use A319s/320s or am I wrong here?
Also, being low hours pilot is it better to go for smaller aircrafts first and get some experience (i.e. turbo-prop intercity types) or aim for big right at the start?

Many thanks!
Ron :cool:

type rating, same old story or...
 

...something is actually moving?

I haven't attended the forum for a while also because at the time I have given up with my pilot career.
Lately I've heard from friends who are looking forward to get a 737 TR because according to their rumors, there are not many 737 TR pilots around and most of them are getting hired.

I believe it's impossible to check this information, and personally I think that the situation it hasn't changed from 2 years ago, but I just wanted to make sure about it.
Is Ryanair hiring easily lately?
How good are the chances to get an interivew (not even a job) in % once you have a 737 TR?

Thank you

TR is only of interest if you have quality flying hours attached as well...

I agree Dutchie, but I know that a certain number of pilots lately with just a few hundred hours on prop, CPL, ATPL, got hired after their 737 TR.
I am just trying to understand the balance between the actual risks and the possibilities to get hired and if something is moving lately or it's just a wrong impression.
I know it's almost impossible to be objective.

Astraeus / FSB / Danfly / Skyblue / Parc / CAE / Gecat / RWL a few of the many just of the top of my head with some producing more cadets then others every single month. However last I heard Ryanair wont take you unless you got significant time on type, the likes of Jet2 or Globespan have preferred routes of taking guys on for example Jet2 just took CTC and OATs APP guys as have Britannia despite the fact they probably have dozens of type rated applicants from various others TRTO's, globespan may prefer to take you from skyblue, Astraeus from Storm and even then they certainly dont need as many as do actually subscribe to the course with them each month and a few of those guys have money to burn on buying block hours. BMI Baby took a few non rated low hours a while ago but obviously preferred to rate them themselves, However in saying all that there is always the odd job/time/place that the rating will pay off but your in the minority, chances increase if you can buy hours but when do you stop spending money- it is an endless pit, but if it lands you that job you will look back and probably care not a jot. As for the 737 guys drying up on the market, I think you can add that along side the myth of a Pilot Shortage just around the corner. A few Years ago it was a HUGE NO NO to do a type rating and now it has become a norm and more and more agencies are springing up with TRTO's to milk us poor bastards for everything and now when talking to people about type ratings because of the amount of people out there with them to distinguish yourself you need experience i.e buy hours.Self Sponsored Type ratings have been around for decades and it carried more weight me thinks ten years ago, five years ago it would distinguish from the crowd and now you need one to nearly join the crowd- a few hundred hours will now get you ahead of the crowd and if your not careful condemed to non aviation related work for the rest of your days paying off bills.
One guy in my local club got a loan for intergrated course and then on top of that another one to pay for a 737 type and at this stage its over 100000euro of a loan with MASSIVE repayments and shortly after Sucessfully landed himself a Jet Job but due to requirement to pay for their Type He "GUESS WHAT" had to turn it down as it was just the breaking point financially for him- What A Pisser. GO for it anyways and have a Plan B to bide your time, Your rating is now on your license but may not be required for years so be patient. I knew another guy who waited nearly 3yrs for a job after his type but when he got it, it was a BBJ.

Neither, I'd suggest a job flying anything (preferably a turbo-prop). An Airbus rating is 1) expensive, 2) complicated and 3) unable to guarantee a job unless "reasonable" experience on type, say one year. Save your cash so you can live until you get a job.

FbT,
You're somewhat behind the times. It is common knowledge, now, that their is no tie-up between Astraeus and Storm.
I understand that Storm changed management/ownership towards the back end of last year and at that time the tie-up with Astraeus was severed.

FbW

Wrong in other areas as well. For example I know people get into Jet2 unrated from other routes, albeit with instructional hours. Ryanair will take you at low hours (I know 3 there now) but only if you pass interview and check flight before the type rating. BMI Baby the same. Can see why - the rumour is that Astraeus started doing the same after getting some really crap pilots who had paid for type ratings.

I think you are posting some rumours and some of the companies' official policies, with possibly some out-of-date information. Very few companies seem actually to stick rigidly (or even at all) to their own policy - even BA don't really care if you have integrated training, or even know the difference as far as I can see.

P.S. Ever heard of paragraphs? Awfully tiring to read a stream of text! :ugh:

on the Professional Pilot's RUMOUR NEtwork that just won't do!

Number,

Forgive me for not directly answering your question. Also forgive me if I've misunderstood your post. But if I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that because (you believe) there are fewer B737-rated pilots than there used to be, you should now get a B737 rating?

Surely you are looking at this the wrong way around? The way I look at it, if there are fewer B737-rated pilots then that is a good reason not to pay for the type-rating myself. With fewer rated pilots around (if that really is the case), the chances are now better than ever that airlines will hire you without the rating and pay for your rating.

FFF
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Good call 'Flying for fun' I think its criminal that some of these airlines expect us to pay for our own type ratings, if we all stick to our guns they will all be in the same position BA are in at the moment and they will have to employ little unexperienced guys like me with just minimal hours :p

A simple question about Type Ratings...
 

If you do a type rating course and finish with the final skills test in the sim all done and dusted, are you then able to be signed off as having done the Type rating on said aircraft or do you have to have done the circuits etc etc in the real plane ? (the Base check ?)

Thanks In Advance

FS:ok:

No base check is no TR. Unless you are very experienced and the sim and the TRTO is allowed to do zero flight time training.

A base check is not required.

The 4 or 6 landings is only an experience requirement for the issue of the type rating. It must be flown with a TRI but not, necessarily, a TRE. Also worth bearing in mind that you have a limit of 6 months between passing the LST and applying for the rating.

To clarify: no base check: you will receive a piece of paper of the TRTO to say you did it. With basecheck: the JAA allows you to put it on your licence.:8

Hi BillieBob
To quote from Lasors:
b) Pass a Licensing Skills test (LST) conducted by an authorised JAR Type Rating Examiner (TRE).
Regards
Willby

willby - and this is relevant because.....

Nobody said the LST did not have to be done by a TRE - we're talking about the requirement for (4 or 6) landings to be completed on the aeroplane after the LST.

Initial MP Type Rating: Pre-Requisite Training
 

Hi,
JAR FCL 1.250 states that a valid MEIR is required as a pre-requisite prior to commencing an initial MP Type Rating course. However, Lasors 2005 states that a valid MEIR within the last five years is all that is required and from recent posts I believe this is the current requirement of the CAA.
Does any Irish licence holder know the position adopted by the IAA in this regard?
Regards
Willby

IAA was happy with a current multi IR, no need for a current ME rating. - this was 2 years ago however, but under JAR.
This means you can renew in a sim, so it was one day in Stapleford for me.

cheers, IP

Thanks IP.... could you please check your pm's.
Willby

How important is Type Rating?...
 

Hi all;

now this at the moment seems in the distant future, but neatherless here goes...

I am going to naples in the very near future, i am doing the JAA & FAA career pilot course, i will leave holding a JAA FROZEN ATPL, what would be the best deal, apply for a job as that, or use my own money to get like a A320 type rating?

i guess the type rating depends what airline i want to apply for

Any comments will be appreciated!

Thanks


Jay

Hi Jamie,
A type rating is not really a prerequesit for finishing your qualifications and never will be. More than likely after completing your training and get some experience, this should be eoungh to elevate you in the indiviual airline recruiters or human rescources eyes.

I didnt see this and though with qualifications I may be able to pick up a job and infact I was 9/10ths of the way there but missed out. Since then I have struggled to get any interviews and most of replies run along the lines of " sorry Sir, but our minimum requirements are 500hours on type" and this fact is all they are interested in. Not the fact that I have 5500tt plus 3000Hours Multi Turbo Prop Command, 4 ATPLS and a multitude of international experience.

So in short I dont recommend it. But its a personal decision. I know of many sucess stories , but there are just as many if not more unsuceesfull.

I dont fully belive Im unsucessfull and will continue to apply for positions for that one off chance I get an interview and maybe a start. The first 500hours is the toughest.

If you do consider doing it ensure you have a job to go to and have it in writing. I was 37 and had nothing to lose at the time.

Sheep

Im still 37

:ok: :)

Some will argue that a TR will give you better chance than someone without one, others will tell you the opposite.

Some airliners prefer type rated pilots others don't.

It all varies accordingly so the choice is yours :ok:

Thanks for the Replys, i will seriously sit down the think about it!

Thanks


Jay