Type Rating with Line Training?
 

Hubair appear to be offerering what seems to be a very good service and representing good value for money for the 737 type rating and 100 hrs..
Does anyone have any knowledge of who i can talk to who has actually done the course...or any info of successful placements, news....and prior brush up info...

Very much apreciated for your help

Type rating - Paying for TR and Line Training? (merged)
 

Would appreciate any info please on this programme if you have any....

Hello!
I'm probably going to do this type rating! I've done last summer my MCC, and I was happy, because all the staff in this school seem to be professional and very nice! But I've some difficulties to find people who have done the type rating+100 hours. I've heard somewhere that it could be a very long time before starting the line training... I still waiting for an email from the school about it, but no answer at this time !

HI,

I have finished the course and the 100h.
Everything allright. Hub'air is doing the type rating (300-NG), then you go in england and do the line training with astraeus.

Value for money is excellent. If you want more infos, contact the school.
There is no entry test before starting the course, but you better be prepared, cause the level is good.

I hope this help,

FlyLau

hi, how much is it.thx. u can pm please

It costs about between 32.000 euro's. But i've heard if you go to "stormaviation" you do your rating on a A320 and doing 300 (or was it 500h??) line experience.

Hi, How much time did it take you to finish the tr and the line training?

Hi again!

Could anybody tell me a bit more about Hubair?

Thanks!

another possibility:..

Flugschule Berlin you can buy your 737 rating for 23.000 euros, including 100hrs line training...

heard the quality is very good...

Hi Coltrane, see your PM´s!!

See you!

AB initio & Astraeus 100 hrs line training course???
 

Hi, this course takes you through PPL, CPL, IR, MEP & fATPL, and gives you 100 hours line training, plus a good 72 hours on 737 simulators. At the end of the course, you have a minimum of 200 hours flight experience, coupled with a 737 type rating and 100 hours as a CO- pilot with astraeus.

I was wondering, to get employed by an airline, you usualy need 1500 hours pic time, some single, some multi etc.. I was wondering, having just over 200, but 100 hours (and 70-80hrs P1 full flight sim time) as co - pilot, would the airlines rather take me on with a type rating? or would they prefer the pilot with way more experience and no rating?

anybody who knows specificaly about this course, or who has maybe attended it, i would appreciate any help!!

or any info from anyone really ;)

website is www.flysfc.com

opinions people?

thanks

Danny

PS. could anyone tell me what the age limit is for holding an fATPL?

thanks people!!

Thanks for the info!! Obviously, i came accross and saw this course, and thought, humm, could be a good idea, on the other hand could be a bad idea lol.

I myself would prefer the time in the air, as time in the air builds confidence, and obviously fine tunes ones self.

Thanks for the info on the fATPL, thought it was 18, read on another post on the net that it was 21, which i found ridiculas, when i came accross a few fATPL courses lasting only 18 months :)

thanks for your opinion, greatly appreciated :D

Dan

any good links for line training ?
 

Anyone who has any good links to companies or schools which offers line training on either Bae 146 or ATR ?

PAY FOR TYPE RATING AND LINE TRAINING (merged)
 

I think it would be beneficial to those (like myself), financially planning their aviation career (modular) to know

1) how many recently qualified modular students out there have had to also pay for a Type Rating?

2) any modulars had airlines pay for it for them (non-bonded)? ..if so where did u train!??

3) after completing modular training, how long did you wait for your first interview/job? ......or are u still waiting.

Obviously nobody can speak for everybody, but enough feedback would give at least a very rough sort of average!:8

PAY FOR TYPE RATING AND LINE TRAINING (merged)
 

Hi folks, am looking on doing a type rating on an airbus A320 in the near future, lucky for me just sold my share in an apartment and have more then enough money to cover the cost, what I want to know, are there any Airbus A320 manuals or books, I could read up on, before I start the course.

Many thanks
:ok:

A320 Study
 

Try this for starters

http://www.airbusdriver.net/

Hello jools, just to let you know, their are a set of airbus training manuals on Ebay, I think they are A320 not sure; they’re going for twenty pounds so far. Bloody bargain.

:)

Just seen it on ebay, exactly what am looking for, thanks a lot liverbird.:ok:

PAY FOR TYPE RATING AND LINE TRAINING (merged)
 

if you search in emule for aibus fcom you can find the 4 fcoms you need which includes systems, procedures and performance

it probably would be perceived by the airlines very well because they won't have to pay for it but it is frowned upon by most people as the airlines should be the one paying for type ratings not individual paying for their jobs

johnsona80, if you have no sense to use the search button, you`ll need more than 500 hrs

A bit harsh hixton. However, the question does keep cropping up in some form. Nobody should have to pay out for type rating training/line training. Who knows of another profession where people pay to work? The trouble is airlines will keep it up so long as people are prepared to pay out.

Airbus Rating
 

Anyway Jools, cant understand why you want to do a type rating on the Airbus 320, the Boeing 737 is still a good one, I think the airbus is over exposed, and there are a lot of guys out their with the Airbus 319 320 321 ratings, how many get jobs, I really don’t know, but another option is to do a rating lower on the ladder, maybe on a turbo prop and work your way up.
Also you will save a few pounds.

Good luck..:O :cool: :rolleyes:

I'd say with 500hrs on type made in the US, you'll still get a job in Europe as long as you get the TR on your JAR license. Wouldn't really matter where you got the hours.

And with 500hrs on the 737... you'll get lucky.

No US Airline would offer you line time on the 737 in exchange for payment. I hope that answers your question.

in the US, they can't. I don't think the FAA and PAX would be very happy to have "student"pilots in the cockpit.

in Europe, no rules...they could even ask a captain to pay if he want keep his job.as captains are no so idiot, they ask copilot to pay for everything.

as long it is authorized, why shouldn't they???they could even ask you to pay a participation in the aircraft.

(I know it is not authorized by the french DGAC)

do you accept to pay more?
 

if an airline ask you to pay for your type rating, how many of you will accept ??(based on you have the job gauranty).

how many of you have 30000 euro? and how do you feel to pay for your own training?

How many flies for Ryanair? They won't even hire you until AFTER linetraining, thus no guarantee - and you still have to pay for the type rating.

Would I pay for it? H*** yah! (Ryanair - give me a call ;)). As long as the market is willing and the outlook is good I see no worries pushing out 30000 quid extra for a safer and faster career track. Ask a doctor how much he has put out when he's done with med-school....

If you can afford it - why not. If you can't - there are still plenty of ways to get in still. See it as buying a rather expensive "fastpass" in the themepark.

Do I agree with the industry being this way? NO
Will the industry pay my salary in the future? YES
Does their word outweigh mine then? YES (darn)

Alternatively there are a few places you can do a first officer program and get 500-1000 hours extra in your logbook for the same price. Just make sure the aircraft you buy SIC time on is in fact considered multi-crew by JAR definition. Would suck to have loads of second-in-command time on a single-pilot airplane.

Wow why dont we all just buy these `fastpasses`.
How stupid we all are, why didnt we think of this, its only a few quid.
This pilot thing is easy hey?

As I understand it, this practice has been going on since September 11th (and maybe even before) due to the number of inexperienced pilots far out weighing the number of seats available, and a few airlines (started by Ryan air I think) said “Why the hell not?”
If you don’t wish to participate, then don’t! I don’t have 30,000 spare. I think that with hard work I could raise it, but I choose not to.
However I do not begrudge a friend of mine who did pay for his rating and line training, and has now just got set on by one of the low costs.
If you wish to do it and can get the money, then good on you. If you can’t raise it, unlucky, your options are restricted. That’s life – it’s not always a fair world out there. If you can raise the money and choose not to (like me) stop complaining when someone else does it. You don’t know how hard they worked to raise all the money for the ATPL training and TR, or what their circumstances are. This is the industry you choose to spend you money in training for. Don’t moan because someone else is willing to take a bigger risk.
Maybe one day I’ll change my mind, but at the moment, I’ll abstain and keep those CV’s flying out the door
IBR

Don't worry, we have this under surveillance! As far as we can see, he owns a website where schools can advertise. There's nothing wrong with that, though we did insist the link to the site was removed from his posts. As I understand it, BA is just another Wannabe feeding his enthusiasm and (hopefully) his bank account through a website. He's not the first and won't be the last!

Scroggs

Woopsy from a JAA wannabe
 

Ye ye - so I own a website - quite lucrative one at that, but the type rating section isn't any good at all and won't really help you much the way it is presented today. And I try not to post free advertise on here - when time comes I'm sure the owners of Pprune will be happy to charge me £££ for a banner.

My opinion on 'pay-to-play' has very little to do with the website. It just seems that everyone who can't afford it is strongly against it. I can easilly buy that argument as (some would say) it turns the industry into one for the 'little rich kids'.

What many seem to forget is that airline jobs in Europe pay very well, so over a lifelong career that initial investment isn't all that bad. Like anything else - if you want to make good money, you have to invest. No such thing as a free lunch etc etc....

Compare it to the american market where you don't pay the type rating yourself.....and make a whole $18000 a year as your start salary!

Maybe that would be a better way for the European industry to go as well - pay for our type ratings and give us sh** salaries so we can REALLY get to struggel with downpaying our loans. Remember that the bank wants money every month regardless if you own them £30,000 or £60,000.

The best way is probably to work hard and be smart. I'm sure there are jobs out there for those who don't want or can't afford to pay the extra.

Ohh...and btw - yes - I am a wannabee.....a big JAA one - and THAT is why I'm on PPRuNe in the first place....time to leave FAA behind and go home. And now I have learned that 'pay-for-type' is a hot topic over there...so I'll leave it at that.

Scroggs - thank's for keeping me under surveilance :suspect: I'll try to be a good boy...

I know why you bother..
 

For some free advertising on someone else's web site:* If this is not case then why come here with the LINKS and the very sh*** logo??:mad:
I dont think you really grasp the whole point about this post. I myself have the money for a type with hrs.. thats great! The whole point of the matter is that if everybody pays their way into a job, then its going to be expected for many years to come. Hey maybe even a high flyer like yourself might not even be able to buy your way in:{ :{

I guess your lucky Norway has been given work rights into the European union! Or you would find it difficult to buy your way into anything:ugh:

And this is why I bother
 

Good point. But the market does what the market does. As long as there are people willing to buy there will always be people willing to pay. Like I said - I'll try to do this the 'free' way first, but if the offer to pay comes along I'm not the one to turn it down for some stupid principle. Too many people do stuff out of pure principle and 'boy I'm gonna show them' attitude. It doesn't work when they're the one controlling your future - at best you save it from not comming back and biting you in the a**. Aparently pilots need jobs more then airlines need pilots - or this 'pay-for-type' phenomena wouldn't exist.

alternatively you can join the unemployment line with your principles and see how cheap it is to kick dirt for a year waiting for an interview. Just a thought...

Caution - Line training fraud?
 

Hello fellow pilots!


I wrote a warning about one year ago, but for some reason, that post has been deleted. Anyway, the warning was about a "pay for experience" type of company called "abaviation". This company was supposed to be based in Germany, run by two german guys. I wasted 1 year and loads of money on their empty promisses. In the end, it all worked out for me, but it had nothing to do with to this company.


This line training was planned to be done with a malaysian/thai/indo 737 operator, there are not that many right? Now there is a new german dude offering line training for the ATR, once agin emty promises and pilots taking T/Rs that they can not use.Watch out.

Just look at this as an input, and be aware that people will not hesitate to rip you off. Gather as much information about the company as possible before you go ahead with any training like this.


peace/


737 rider


I would like to mention the names of the people involved, but not in the forum.

Cadet Program - Line Training, where?
 

Do you know of any company providing line training or a cadet program?

http://www.eaglejet.net or http://www.hubair.be/courses/737.htm

http://www.stormaviation.co.uk/pilot...ces/cadets.php
http://www.bondaviationsolutions.com/
http://www.twinair.ch

CRJ LINE TRAINING
 

Hello!!! Somebody knows a place where to do line training of CRJ, like 50 or 100 hours of flight to take out the restrictions???? I find that in jetlink I can do 500 hours of flight but I don´t want to do so much. Thanks!!!