CPL FTOs your experience/advice
Joined: Aug 2003
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From: UK
Ok i'm new, please be gentle.
Im looking at some options for various frozen ATPL courses, namely OAT, CTC, Cabair, BAE and EPTA. From perusing this forum i'm under the impression that these courses are not the best idea due to failing slightly in the flying side of things. Also i notice that the whole course at EPTA is around half the cost of that quoted for the other schools, any idea why that is?
When sponsorships are on the go the big players use some of these schools as their FTO's which gave me the impression that they would be a good bet in terms of flying training and ground school.
And lastly is it not a better idea to do an integrated course than a modular one.
If im being ignorant or something im sorry.
Any info greatly appreciated.
Im looking at some options for various frozen ATPL courses, namely OAT, CTC, Cabair, BAE and EPTA. From perusing this forum i'm under the impression that these courses are not the best idea due to failing slightly in the flying side of things. Also i notice that the whole course at EPTA is around half the cost of that quoted for the other schools, any idea why that is?
When sponsorships are on the go the big players use some of these schools as their FTO's which gave me the impression that they would be a good bet in terms of flying training and ground school.
And lastly is it not a better idea to do an integrated course than a modular one.
If im being ignorant or something im sorry.
Any info greatly appreciated.
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From: uk
hi jim, welcome to pprune!
I don't know what gave you the impression that OAT, BAe, Cabair etc. fail slightly in the flying side of things. They are all reputable, approved schools with high quality training. There are also lesser well-known schools in this country that provide training to the same standard but for less money. BAe, OAT and Cabair are the only three schools that are approved by the CAA to run Integrated full-time courses, hence why the airlines use them. They do have very good names, but don't get too hung up on the reputation of schools, recent GAPAN research suggests that the airlines aren't all that bothered where you train. Use your head and do plenty of research on Pprune and you'll make the 'which school' easily enough.
As for Intergrated Vs Modular, now you've opened a can of worms! Before the Lynching begins, I'd suggest you do a search of Wannabes on the exact words 'integrated vs modular'. You will get a serious number of hits with that baby let me tell you! It has been done to death here in the past
hope that helps!
I don't know what gave you the impression that OAT, BAe, Cabair etc. fail slightly in the flying side of things. They are all reputable, approved schools with high quality training. There are also lesser well-known schools in this country that provide training to the same standard but for less money. BAe, OAT and Cabair are the only three schools that are approved by the CAA to run Integrated full-time courses, hence why the airlines use them. They do have very good names, but don't get too hung up on the reputation of schools, recent GAPAN research suggests that the airlines aren't all that bothered where you train. Use your head and do plenty of research on Pprune and you'll make the 'which school' easily enough.
As for Intergrated Vs Modular, now you've opened a can of worms! Before the Lynching begins, I'd suggest you do a search of Wannabes on the exact words 'integrated vs modular'. You will get a serious number of hits with that baby let me tell you! It has been done to death here in the past
hope that helps!
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From: bristol
In reply to www re : Westflight, I am amazed at this posting, considering you are a moderator, this sounds more like an advert than a recommendation, I visited Westflight among many others in my weary search for a school for my IR, they only have one twin for training and at the time a guy had been waiting 3 weeks to test because of an ADF breakdown. I couldn't gather any more information since the CFI wanted to leave early, it being a Friday. Good kit, I think not?
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From: Hereford UK
Interlink,
Please make sure that your statements are correct before posting. I don't recollect you visiting Westflight, and I generally meet all prospective students.
Our Seneca II has never been offline for more than 1 day except for its recent annual and normal checks. This includes a recent ADF possible fault where the unit was changed by Alec Vincent from RGV within 1 hour of being reported faulty.
Since we started, all of our students have completed their CPL / ME / IR course with 13 weeks of starting, and have all achieved 1st time CPL passes, and 1st series IRT's.
I know that this is a rumour network, but plain untruths are not fair, unless you have another agenda ?
Why don't you pm me with your real issues.
Chris Brooks
Westflight Owner
Please make sure that your statements are correct before posting. I don't recollect you visiting Westflight, and I generally meet all prospective students.
Our Seneca II has never been offline for more than 1 day except for its recent annual and normal checks. This includes a recent ADF possible fault where the unit was changed by Alec Vincent from RGV within 1 hour of being reported faulty.
Since we started, all of our students have completed their CPL / ME / IR course with 13 weeks of starting, and have all achieved 1st time CPL passes, and 1st series IRT's.
I know that this is a rumour network, but plain untruths are not fair, unless you have another agenda ?
Why don't you pm me with your real issues.
Chris Brooks
Westflight Owner
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From: Qatar mainly & Sometimes Oxfordshire or Texas!
Hiya,
Well I am afraid to say that I do not have any experience of the schools you shortlisted there. However, I have just completed my CPL/IR with Airways Flight Training in Exeter and can highly recomend them to anyone. They were very professional had good aircraft and got me through the whole thing within 4 weeks, without going over hours and with full first time passes for both the CPL and the IR.
I wish you well on your quest, and as I say.........check them out......may be as good for you as they were for me :o)
Chinchilla.
Well I am afraid to say that I do not have any experience of the schools you shortlisted there. However, I have just completed my CPL/IR with Airways Flight Training in Exeter and can highly recomend them to anyone. They were very professional had good aircraft and got me through the whole thing within 4 weeks, without going over hours and with full first time passes for both the CPL and the IR.
I wish you well on your quest, and as I say.........check them out......may be as good for you as they were for me :o)
Chinchilla.
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From: bristol
Another agenda - just what exactly do u mean by that?
I don't know who u are so I don't know whether i met u or not but I know the student personally who had to wait for his test and it was definately not one day - so before u start insinuating people are lying or have hidden agendas look inside first.
Your attitude to my post was similar to that I received when I visited and I am even more pleased that I made a different choice.
The school I went to was superb although they shall remain nameless just in case I am yet again accused of having an agenda
so I will ask the question CFB - do you have more than one twin?
and in answer to your other selling point I completed my CPL/ME/IR in 8 weeks with a first time pass, I flew every day most days twice and am now working flying a jet.
I don't know who u are so I don't know whether i met u or not but I know the student personally who had to wait for his test and it was definately not one day - so before u start insinuating people are lying or have hidden agendas look inside first.
Your attitude to my post was similar to that I received when I visited and I am even more pleased that I made a different choice.
The school I went to was superb although they shall remain nameless just in case I am yet again accused of having an agenda
so I will ask the question CFB - do you have more than one twin?
and in answer to your other selling point I completed my CPL/ME/IR in 8 weeks with a first time pass, I flew every day most days twice and am now working flying a jet.
