ICAO to JAA ATPL
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ICAO to JAA ATPL
I want to do an JAA ATPL license. At the moment I'm B737efis F/O at East European flag carrier with ICAO ATPL and total of 4000hrs (almost all on B737). I also have college degree (2 years) in aeronautics. I've heard about assessment and crediting on experience but I would like to know if anybody had done it already. Any advice would be appreciated. Ofcourse I'd be interested at minimum time/cost course.
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
goranb,
Do you have 1500 hours in command of 30+tonne aircraft on primarily international routes or similar?
If not,
then you have to do the 14 JAR exams (~£800)
Abbreviated theory course (£1-2,000 depending)
Time? distance learning is the quickest I think (you don't have to do the min times). Plan 2-3 months.
Medical (~£200)
CAA observed LST (sim) on (let's say) the 737 because that's what you got the time on. (~£500/hr x ?? . CAA examiner ~£600)
If you do, then you can do the abridged UK ATPL.
More info can be found on both in the LASORS section on the CAA SRG website.
These are approximations for the prices as they do change.
Sim I can't give an accurate estimate because I don't know how much work you'll need to get to the standard required for the CAA. The flight test will be about 3 hours long.
If you have the appropriate command time then you only need to knock off 2 exams. Note, the UK lic will only let you fly G-reg aircraft.
Do you have 1500 hours in command of 30+tonne aircraft on primarily international routes or similar?
If not,
then you have to do the 14 JAR exams (~£800)
Abbreviated theory course (£1-2,000 depending)
Time? distance learning is the quickest I think (you don't have to do the min times). Plan 2-3 months.
Medical (~£200)
CAA observed LST (sim) on (let's say) the 737 because that's what you got the time on. (~£500/hr x ?? . CAA examiner ~£600)
If you do, then you can do the abridged UK ATPL.
More info can be found on both in the LASORS section on the CAA SRG website.
These are approximations for the prices as they do change.
Sim I can't give an accurate estimate because I don't know how much work you'll need to get to the standard required for the CAA. The flight test will be about 3 hours long.
If you have the appropriate command time then you only need to knock off 2 exams. Note, the UK lic will only let you fly G-reg aircraft.
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JAA ALTP
Just to add to Redsnail, since I just went thru' the mill.
Each exam is GBP 52x14
FRTO(L) Practical is GBP 60 (After clearing VFR and IFR commns)
Examiner Charge is GBP 607
Simulator charge is $500/hr (ATR Sim)
Hope this helps- cheers!
Each exam is GBP 52x14
FRTO(L) Practical is GBP 60 (After clearing VFR and IFR commns)
Examiner Charge is GBP 607
Simulator charge is $500/hr (ATR Sim)
Hope this helps- cheers!
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Thanks all of you guys for your replies.
I was hoping to get into 1500hrs command on B737 group so that I can do only 2 exams. Problem is I'm not a Captain and almost all of my PIC (all on B737) is actually F/O. I know JAR recognizes half of F/O hours as PIC toward issue of ATPL but I don't know if CAA would accept this as PIC ( I log them as PICUS, with Captain's signature and everything) toward those 1500hrs needed for easy conversion.
Next question: why is that license Restricted to G- registered a/c. Would it still be restricted if I do all the exams? I need unrestricted JAA license and no school I contacted mentioned anything about restriction.
goranb
P.S.
My reply is a bit late but there was nobody replying for 10 days so I stopped checking.
I was hoping to get into 1500hrs command on B737 group so that I can do only 2 exams. Problem is I'm not a Captain and almost all of my PIC (all on B737) is actually F/O. I know JAR recognizes half of F/O hours as PIC toward issue of ATPL but I don't know if CAA would accept this as PIC ( I log them as PICUS, with Captain's signature and everything) toward those 1500hrs needed for easy conversion.
Next question: why is that license Restricted to G- registered a/c. Would it still be restricted if I do all the exams? I need unrestricted JAA license and no school I contacted mentioned anything about restriction.
goranb
P.S.
My reply is a bit late but there was nobody replying for 10 days so I stopped checking.
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
goranb,
No such luck. You must be sitting in the left hand seat for the command time to get away with only doing 2 exams.
The 2 exam ATPL is issued by the UK CAA only. Therefore only good for G-reg aircraft. For a full unrestricted ATPL you need to do the 14 exams and get the JAR ATPL.
I have heard a rumour that there will be a 2 exam JAR ATPL coming soon. Who will issue it and when it will be available I don't know. I dare say you'll need LHS command time.
Don't get excited folks, the 14 exams are here for a while. We are talking about the "abridged" ATPL for the jet jockey captains.
No such luck. You must be sitting in the left hand seat for the command time to get away with only doing 2 exams.
The 2 exam ATPL is issued by the UK CAA only. Therefore only good for G-reg aircraft. For a full unrestricted ATPL you need to do the 14 exams and get the JAR ATPL.
I have heard a rumour that there will be a 2 exam JAR ATPL coming soon. Who will issue it and when it will be available I don't know. I dare say you'll need LHS command time.
Don't get excited folks, the 14 exams are here for a while. We are talking about the "abridged" ATPL for the jet jockey captains.
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Hello goranb,
I made some research on this as well some time ago – UK solution is not cheap but well defined. The problem was there seems to be no other way easily available for the case. Maybe other countries? Maybe Czech CAA / CSA (with 737 sim) would help? I would like to share experience but I have no data yet.
I made some research on this as well some time ago – UK solution is not cheap but well defined. The problem was there seems to be no other way easily available for the case. Maybe other countries? Maybe Czech CAA / CSA (with 737 sim) would help? I would like to share experience but I have no data yet.
