Height and/or Weight Issues
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I am the same height as you, but am comfortable in a Dash 8. Also sat in B737 without any problems. However, training aircraft may present a problem. Cessna 152s you can forget, (but try for yourself!), but you shouldn't have any problems in a Warrior / Cadet / Cessna 172. Twins are ok too (Seneca, Seminole etc) Best of luck!
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I am 6'6'' and can confirm: forget about the C152. Everthing else worked pretty well for me, i.e. C172, Archer, MO20J and Seneca.Just got hired with Crossair looking either for the SAAB 2000, Avro 85/100 or the new ERJ145. Have two friends flying on the 2000 and the Avro. Both of them are 6'5'' and feel very comfortable. To my knowledge there are no height restrictions by Crossair so far. So keep your head out of the clouds !!
Good luck !
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Good luck !
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How do you mean forget about a 152 i'm 6'6'' and got 500hr instructing on these things.
In one of the A/C i flew freight,depending on the cross wind i had to change seat to get full aileron,my knee would otherwise be in the way.
Now i fly the jet these problems are over.
good luck with it and dont worry
Neil
In one of the A/C i flew freight,depending on the cross wind i had to change seat to get full aileron,my knee would otherwise be in the way.
Now i fly the jet these problems are over.
good luck with it and dont worry
Neil
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Height for BA
Just reading on the BA jobs site...Height restriction for trainee pilots...below 6'3"...Ahhhh, I think I'm just on the limit there, but I might grow some more 
Is this a definite figure, or will they consider you if you are an inch too big or so...
Anyone with experience of this, please tell me...
Regards
Mike
Is this a definite figure, or will they consider you if you are an inch too big or so...
Anyone with experience of this, please tell me...
Regards
Mike
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All I know, is that the info on BA's job website says that height is accurately determined at assessment!!!
Reading through the DEP info, it says applicants taller than 1m91 may apply, and basically BA will see if you can fit in one of their aircraft. However, it says no such thing for the CEP scheme.
Reading through the DEP info, it says applicants taller than 1m91 may apply, and basically BA will see if you can fit in one of their aircraft. However, it says no such thing for the CEP scheme.
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I was measured at RAF Cranwell at 1.98m which is dead on 6ft 5ins - hence why the RAF said no even though I passed everything else. Just a touch annoying!! I rang BA but they wouldn't have any of it. It's an internal BA thing that no other airline has - believe me, i've rung them all and the schools and the CAA to check and they all said it's not a problem. Like I said it's just BA.
Give it a shot but it sounds like you'll have to be looking elsewhere for sponsorship.
Good luck!
Give it a shot but it sounds like you'll have to be looking elsewhere for sponsorship.
Good luck!
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Height to Weight
I originally posted this in "Medical" but got no replies so I thought I'd try here.
I know that BA say that your height has to be in proportion to your weight for CEP sponsorship but does anybody have any figures on this? Would a few kilos over an ideal weight be grounds for an outright rejection or would they defer your application until you reached ideal weight. Or conversely if you are otherwise fit and healthy are they not too concerned? Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
I know that BA say that your height has to be in proportion to your weight for CEP sponsorship but does anybody have any figures on this? Would a few kilos over an ideal weight be grounds for an outright rejection or would they defer your application until you reached ideal weight. Or conversely if you are otherwise fit and healthy are they not too concerned? Any thoughts greatly appreciated.
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All the employers that I know will apply a bit of discretion over the height/weight thing. Obviously, what they want to avoid is a very expensive pilot being sidelined by a heart attack brought on by obesity, or something similar. Their medics are generally fairly sensible when it comes to judging the difference between those who are heavy because they train hard, and those who are overweight because they drink and eat hard.
However, your weight is within your control. If you feel that you are a bit more porky than you should be, do something about it. Don't wait until the medical! It's not so easy for those underweight (but they are much more rare!), but a chat with your doctor or a dietician might be beneficial.
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However, your weight is within your control. If you feel that you are a bit more porky than you should be, do something about it. Don't wait until the medical! It's not so easy for those underweight (but they are much more rare!), but a chat with your doctor or a dietician might be beneficial.
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Hi Scroggs,
I too am concerned about my height to weight factor.
At 22 I'm 5ft 11 and weight just over 10st, hence a tad light for my height.
When I obtained my Class I, the fine lass said that this was not an issue, but are BA likely to look at this in the same light.
Your thought would be appreciated.
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Fra
I too am concerned about my height to weight factor.
At 22 I'm 5ft 11 and weight just over 10st, hence a tad light for my height.
When I obtained my Class I, the fine lass said that this was not an issue, but are BA likely to look at this in the same light.
Your thought would be appreciated.
Regards
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Hi there,
This is quite an interesting topic I feel. I am 6ft1, and weigh only 10 st. I am one of those people who can eat a horse and never put any weight on. What I am wondering however, is if BA are all for "Equal oppertunities" then surely making someone unsuccessful in their application because of their height/weight not being in proportion is not very equal! Also the CAA do not ask for a height restriction, but BA do, again is this not an instance of not being equal. I feel that BA are sometimes a little too choosy, but hey thats me! Anyone else feel the same? I would be gutted if they turned me down at the medical for being a little too light, especially if I had worked so hard to get there in the first place.
Anyone else got any feelings on this issue?
Rossco
This is quite an interesting topic I feel. I am 6ft1, and weigh only 10 st. I am one of those people who can eat a horse and never put any weight on. What I am wondering however, is if BA are all for "Equal oppertunities" then surely making someone unsuccessful in their application because of their height/weight not being in proportion is not very equal! Also the CAA do not ask for a height restriction, but BA do, again is this not an instance of not being equal. I feel that BA are sometimes a little too choosy, but hey thats me! Anyone else feel the same? I would be gutted if they turned me down at the medical for being a little too light, especially if I had worked so hard to get there in the first place.
Anyone else got any feelings on this issue?
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Work out your body mass index. Work out your height in metres eg. I would be 1.67 (5'6"). Square it. Then divide it into your weight in kilos (sorry can't type equations). If the number is between 20 and 24 you're perfect!
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I would expect that BA would note that you are slightly underweight and, if there are no underlying medical problems, leave it at that. They will probably predict that you will fill out in time - we all do!
Hell I'd not give the height in proportion requirement a seconds thought unless you were seriously seriously overweight and I am talking 44inch trousers here:
a) BA have taken some complete lard arse lads over the years - one of them a good mate of mine 5' 7" and 17 stone.
b) If they tried to refuse you on this clause they'd be in a legal minefield:
i) They'd have to prove that they NEVER took anyone of the same or greater weight/height. Have they got the records to hand? Can they be bothered to collate them? Otherwise its employment tribunal time and the judgement WOULD be that they would have to give you the job.
ii) They do not define 'in proportion'. It is therefore meaningless. You saw the advert and applied believeing in good faith that you met all the various requirments. And employment tribunal would strike this clause without blinking an eye.
iii) BA cannot prove that your weight is a significant risk factor for your day to day work as they UNDOUBTABLY have line pilots more obese than you in your 20's
vi) It clearly enfringes the employment requirements of the newly incorporated Human Rights legislation and cases have already been fought and won in other employment areas with regards to obesity.
v) Any defence BA try to mount around health and flight safety are completly nullified by the fact that they do not require applicants to be non-smokers. A condition which is 4 times more likely to result in heart disease or other serious career shortening illnesses.
Frankly I am amazed that they have left the requirment in the brochures. They are leaving themselves wide open to some serious litigation and bad PR. BA HR department never were that sharp!
Good luck with your application,
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a) BA have taken some complete lard arse lads over the years - one of them a good mate of mine 5' 7" and 17 stone.
b) If they tried to refuse you on this clause they'd be in a legal minefield:
i) They'd have to prove that they NEVER took anyone of the same or greater weight/height. Have they got the records to hand? Can they be bothered to collate them? Otherwise its employment tribunal time and the judgement WOULD be that they would have to give you the job.
ii) They do not define 'in proportion'. It is therefore meaningless. You saw the advert and applied believeing in good faith that you met all the various requirments. And employment tribunal would strike this clause without blinking an eye.
iii) BA cannot prove that your weight is a significant risk factor for your day to day work as they UNDOUBTABLY have line pilots more obese than you in your 20's
vi) It clearly enfringes the employment requirements of the newly incorporated Human Rights legislation and cases have already been fought and won in other employment areas with regards to obesity.
v) Any defence BA try to mount around health and flight safety are completly nullified by the fact that they do not require applicants to be non-smokers. A condition which is 4 times more likely to result in heart disease or other serious career shortening illnesses.
Frankly I am amazed that they have left the requirment in the brochures. They are leaving themselves wide open to some serious litigation and bad PR. BA HR department never were that sharp!
Good luck with your application,
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Interesting issue indeed, I fly with several very experienced Captains which are far too short for their weight! I guess at their level they don,t have anything to prove.
But.. As a new starter overall appearence is seen as a reflection of attitude and self control and rightly or wrongly,this does make a difference. If you are told otherwise then people are being economical with the truth.
Thankfully most employers are fairly sensible about the issue, however, it's times like the wet drills when a few extra kilos makes getting in the raft a bit of a problem. Like all things, if you can avoid the problem do so.
As an aside, I've never experienced negative remarks concerning underweight.
But.. As a new starter overall appearence is seen as a reflection of attitude and self control and rightly or wrongly,this does make a difference. If you are told otherwise then people are being economical with the truth.
Thankfully most employers are fairly sensible about the issue, however, it's times like the wet drills when a few extra kilos makes getting in the raft a bit of a problem. Like all things, if you can avoid the problem do so.
As an aside, I've never experienced negative remarks concerning underweight.
Avenger - I take issue:
"But.. As a new starter overall appearence is seen as a reflection of attitude and self control and rightly or wrongly,this does make a difference."
So how would being overweight be a negative reflection of attitude and self control? Would being spotty, having bad teeth or breath be similarly be seen as lacking self control? What about a poorly ironed shirt or shoes not bearing a smart shine? What about smoking or recreatonal drug use?
"however, it's times like the wet drills when a few extra kilos makes getting in the raft a bit of a problem. Like all things, if you can avoid the problem do so."
Yeah and all the thin smokers who will be gasping and hacking for breath in the event of a cold sea ditching will be long dead whilst their chubbier colleagues are protected by their insulation and energy reserves.
It is my view that BA would be FAR FAR better advised to focus on recreational drug use by its recruits than on idealised weight/image issues.
It really is the issue that everyone would rather not talk about but probably majority of those entering airline pilot training have used recreatonal drugs. I personally have witnessed some continue to do so whilst under sponsored training. I see no likelihood that they would stop upon subsequent graduation...
I think a far more relevant and legally defensible clause in the BA or other airline selection would be a requirement to pass a stringent anti-drugs screening both before acceptance and during training. Compared to this the fact that you might be fat, ugly, smelly or heaven forfend Welsh pales into insignificance...
Cheers,
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"But.. As a new starter overall appearence is seen as a reflection of attitude and self control and rightly or wrongly,this does make a difference."
So how would being overweight be a negative reflection of attitude and self control? Would being spotty, having bad teeth or breath be similarly be seen as lacking self control? What about a poorly ironed shirt or shoes not bearing a smart shine? What about smoking or recreatonal drug use?
"however, it's times like the wet drills when a few extra kilos makes getting in the raft a bit of a problem. Like all things, if you can avoid the problem do so."
Yeah and all the thin smokers who will be gasping and hacking for breath in the event of a cold sea ditching will be long dead whilst their chubbier colleagues are protected by their insulation and energy reserves.
It is my view that BA would be FAR FAR better advised to focus on recreational drug use by its recruits than on idealised weight/image issues.
It really is the issue that everyone would rather not talk about but probably majority of those entering airline pilot training have used recreatonal drugs. I personally have witnessed some continue to do so whilst under sponsored training. I see no likelihood that they would stop upon subsequent graduation...
I think a far more relevant and legally defensible clause in the BA or other airline selection would be a requirement to pass a stringent anti-drugs screening both before acceptance and during training. Compared to this the fact that you might be fat, ugly, smelly or heaven forfend Welsh pales into insignificance...
Cheers,
WWW