How do you get a CPL/IR for £20k?
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I know PP and he is 33 now nearly 34 and started training when he was 29.
He was working for BG in Mitcham up until May 1996.
I know he is training this week but will be able to post an update on his return.
To all those wannabes. Don't ever give up, to get in the RHS of a 757 takes everything...
Do Not Quit
When things go wrong, as they sometimes will
When the road you're trudging seems all up hill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit,
Rest, if you must - but do not quit.
Life is queer with its twists and turns,
As everyone of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about
When he might have won had he stuck it out;
Do not give up, though the pace seems slow -
You might succeed with another blow.
Often the goal is nearer than
It seems to a faint and faltering man,
Often the struggler has given up
When he might have captured the victor's cup.
And he learned too late, when the night slipped down,
How close he was to the golden crown.
Success is failure turned inside out,
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
And you never can tell how close you are
It may be near when it seems afar;
So stick to the fight when you are hardest hit
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit.
Bovey
He was working for BG in Mitcham up until May 1996.
I know he is training this week but will be able to post an update on his return.
To all those wannabes. Don't ever give up, to get in the RHS of a 757 takes everything...
Do Not Quit
When things go wrong, as they sometimes will
When the road you're trudging seems all up hill,
When the funds are low and the debts are high,
And you want to smile, but you have to sigh,
When care is pressing you down a bit,
Rest, if you must - but do not quit.
Life is queer with its twists and turns,
As everyone of us sometimes learns,
And many a failure turns about
When he might have won had he stuck it out;
Do not give up, though the pace seems slow -
You might succeed with another blow.
Often the goal is nearer than
It seems to a faint and faltering man,
Often the struggler has given up
When he might have captured the victor's cup.
And he learned too late, when the night slipped down,
How close he was to the golden crown.
Success is failure turned inside out,
The silver tint of the clouds of doubt,
And you never can tell how close you are
It may be near when it seems afar;
So stick to the fight when you are hardest hit
It's when things seem worst that you must not quit.
Bovey
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To answer the post :
I was in South Africa a couple of years ago and rented a cherokee from an airfield in George on the garden route. CFI was english and said he could do a CPL for £ 15k. That was at 7 to the quid. Check out the rate now ! Also possibility of work flying A1 burning equipment in Africa. I don't have any other info but its food for thought.
I was in South Africa a couple of years ago and rented a cherokee from an airfield in George on the garden route. CFI was english and said he could do a CPL for £ 15k. That was at 7 to the quid. Check out the rate now ! Also possibility of work flying A1 burning equipment in Africa. I don't have any other info but its food for thought.
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Great post PP, and congrats on getting there!
Reading that gets the motivation going and the determination to strive for that elusive jet job
Thanks for sharing your story !
Hopefully this thread can be continued with others posting there success stories...
Reading that gets the motivation going and the determination to strive for that elusive jet job
Thanks for sharing your story !
Hopefully this thread can be continued with others posting there success stories...
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Hi Pete,
Thanks for the help when you were with EAC, hopefuly I will bump into you when you are sitting in a EAC or RVR twin being moved to GLA for extra crew, or if you are operating out of GLA let me know and we will go for a pint.
Luv to the family! :-)
P.S. did you copyright the story as you can bring it out on a book!!!, thanks for the inspiration mate and good luck with JMC !!
Thanks for the help when you were with EAC, hopefuly I will bump into you when you are sitting in a EAC or RVR twin being moved to GLA for extra crew, or if you are operating out of GLA let me know and we will go for a pint.
Luv to the family! :-)
P.S. did you copyright the story as you can bring it out on a book!!!, thanks for the inspiration mate and good luck with JMC !!
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Well. Nice story, congrats.
I´ll update my own story in a few months time when I have actually passed the B733 course and am online (not counting chickens etc.).
However in brief terms I did the whole thing - zero to RHS jet - for 16.5 thousand pounds.
Here´s how.
Join the Air Cadets and get sent solo in a motor glider at age 16. Be keener than mustard and get asked to stay on as a staff cadet. Stay keen as mustard and get asked to become a volunteer instructor with them.
At the same time get sponsored by the Air Force and also get a flying scholarship. Use the money from the former to upgrade the latter into a PPL. MAintain the PPL by flying as a volunteer flying instructor at the weekends with the Air Cadets.
Got to Uni now and join the UAS and again be as keen as mustard and get lots of very very high quality hours in. At the end of Uni get a boring graduate job for two years, live at home, and save 16 thousand pounds.
Whilst doing second year of boring graduate job start studying the ATPL exams via distance learning. Use holidays from job to take exams and as soon as you pass them quit.
Quit instructing as a volunteer for the air cadets and go do a BCPL and IMC course costing you 6k. Persuade the CAA to count your volunteer Air Cadet Instructing towards the issue of a civvy AFI rating at about 300 quid cost for the test.
You´ve now been out of work for 8 weeks and have spent just shy of 9k on exams and a BCPL IMC AFI. Immediately walk into an instructing job back at home which you have been lining up for the last 3 years. Do that for a year get to 1000hrs and then do an Instrument and Multi Engine rating costing 6 grand plus 1 grand for accom and ratings issue.
Next get a job with a large Flying College and earn a proper salary and lifestyle (somewhere near the Med if possible
Do that for a year and then start applying for airline jobs - after all, you are teaching their baby pilots how to fly!
Get airline job. You´ve spent 16.5k (I kept ALL the bills from day one) and have earned from instructing about 30k gross. Take out living expenses and beer money and you´ve come out about even. No debt, 1500 odd hrs and an airline job. Payback was 2 years and was only out of work for 8 weeks.
Met some great people and made some lifelong friends. Obviously a major thanks goes to Liz for getting me started for nothing.
It can be done.
WWW
I´ll update my own story in a few months time when I have actually passed the B733 course and am online (not counting chickens etc.).
However in brief terms I did the whole thing - zero to RHS jet - for 16.5 thousand pounds.
Here´s how.
Join the Air Cadets and get sent solo in a motor glider at age 16. Be keener than mustard and get asked to stay on as a staff cadet. Stay keen as mustard and get asked to become a volunteer instructor with them.
At the same time get sponsored by the Air Force and also get a flying scholarship. Use the money from the former to upgrade the latter into a PPL. MAintain the PPL by flying as a volunteer flying instructor at the weekends with the Air Cadets.
Got to Uni now and join the UAS and again be as keen as mustard and get lots of very very high quality hours in. At the end of Uni get a boring graduate job for two years, live at home, and save 16 thousand pounds.
Whilst doing second year of boring graduate job start studying the ATPL exams via distance learning. Use holidays from job to take exams and as soon as you pass them quit.
Quit instructing as a volunteer for the air cadets and go do a BCPL and IMC course costing you 6k. Persuade the CAA to count your volunteer Air Cadet Instructing towards the issue of a civvy AFI rating at about 300 quid cost for the test.
You´ve now been out of work for 8 weeks and have spent just shy of 9k on exams and a BCPL IMC AFI. Immediately walk into an instructing job back at home which you have been lining up for the last 3 years. Do that for a year get to 1000hrs and then do an Instrument and Multi Engine rating costing 6 grand plus 1 grand for accom and ratings issue.
Next get a job with a large Flying College and earn a proper salary and lifestyle (somewhere near the Med if possible
Do that for a year and then start applying for airline jobs - after all, you are teaching their baby pilots how to fly!
Get airline job. You´ve spent 16.5k (I kept ALL the bills from day one) and have earned from instructing about 30k gross. Take out living expenses and beer money and you´ve come out about even. No debt, 1500 odd hrs and an airline job. Payback was 2 years and was only out of work for 8 weeks.
Met some great people and made some lifelong friends. Obviously a major thanks goes to Liz for getting me started for nothing.
It can be done.
WWW
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If you don't mind me asking: you said in your last post that you got a instructor job to work up to 1000hrs, how easy is it to get this sort of job? Are there many around, did you apply or did you get it through some one you knew.
Also you then went on to say that you got a instructing job with a large flying college, presumably BAe in Jerez, again did you reply to an advert? What qualifications/hrs did they require? Or did you find out about the vacancy through a contact? How difficult is this sort of job to get? ie what are my chances once qualified?
Answers to these questions will be very appreciated as I am currently researching what exactly to do after PPL!
If you don't mind me asking: you said in your last post that you got a instructor job to work up to 1000hrs, how easy is it to get this sort of job? Are there many around, did you apply or did you get it through some one you knew.
Also you then went on to say that you got a instructing job with a large flying college, presumably BAe in Jerez, again did you reply to an advert? What qualifications/hrs did they require? Or did you find out about the vacancy through a contact? How difficult is this sort of job to get? ie what are my chances once qualified?
Answers to these questions will be very appreciated as I am currently researching what exactly to do after PPL!
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Well, what can I say? You're encouraging replies have been an inspiration to me. I never thought I would start a 'burning topic' unless I really fouled up!!!!
I'm in the North Terminal at Gatwick having just finished my first week doing S.E.P.'s (Standard Emergency Procedures) which seems to have been a gentle start to the course.
To answer your various questions:
EGPFlyer : not sure if we've ever met or not but a pint sounds just dandy if I'm in Glasgow again.
The flying gunman : I was 29 nearly 30 when I started my PPL in late 1996. CPL/IR issued when nearly 32.
FlyingRower : I joined BG South Eastern as it was then in Katherine Street Croydon working on the 3rd floor in the Computer Room. The whole department moved to a purpose built site in Mitcham later that same year.
Tight Slot : Yes I did get the email, many thanks. I haven't had time to sit down and really read/ reply to it yet.
Many thanks to everyone else who has replied with such kind words. I am glad the posting has been encouraging to some of you. Keep up the hard work and best of luck to you all.
Still waiting to find out when and where the type rating course is going to be.
Regards
PP
I'm in the North Terminal at Gatwick having just finished my first week doing S.E.P.'s (Standard Emergency Procedures) which seems to have been a gentle start to the course.
To answer your various questions:
EGPFlyer : not sure if we've ever met or not but a pint sounds just dandy if I'm in Glasgow again.
The flying gunman : I was 29 nearly 30 when I started my PPL in late 1996. CPL/IR issued when nearly 32.
FlyingRower : I joined BG South Eastern as it was then in Katherine Street Croydon working on the 3rd floor in the Computer Room. The whole department moved to a purpose built site in Mitcham later that same year.
Tight Slot : Yes I did get the email, many thanks. I haven't had time to sit down and really read/ reply to it yet.
Many thanks to everyone else who has replied with such kind words. I am glad the posting has been encouraging to some of you. Keep up the hard work and best of luck to you all.
Still waiting to find out when and where the type rating course is going to be.
Regards
PP
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Eject,
Sorry I haven't replied but have been tied up with other things of late (I really do wish the wife would stop doing that).
Anyway, this is PPs thread and there are plenty of other "oldies V the rest" threads around, I will e-mail you soon with the problem as I see it (more from experiences of good friends than my own).
Once again , Pilot Pete, thankyou for your story.
Bovey, TOP poem!
Sorry I haven't replied but have been tied up with other things of late (I really do wish the wife would stop doing that).
Anyway, this is PPs thread and there are plenty of other "oldies V the rest" threads around, I will e-mail you soon with the problem as I see it (more from experiences of good friends than my own).
Once again , Pilot Pete, thankyou for your story.
Bovey, TOP poem!
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Pilot Pete,
I do belive your story is missing out some interesting points !
Remember going into LHR in the C310 when we had the radio failure as we were told to report established on the ILS for 27R !!! What a day ! I still laugh at that !
Well mate we have BOTH made it, I have just got the type on my licence today.
Hi Suzie !
See you when you need a hand in moving house !
Left On The Greens !
I do belive your story is missing out some interesting points !
Remember going into LHR in the C310 when we had the radio failure as we were told to report established on the ILS for 27R !!! What a day ! I still laugh at that !
Well mate we have BOTH made it, I have just got the type on my licence today.
Hi Suzie !
See you when you need a hand in moving house !
Left On The Greens !
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Congratulations to PP, FL245 and WWW
Reading this thread produces a maelstrom of emotions: intense admiration and extreme jealousy!
Hopefully it won't be too long before we see some of the other regulars on Wannabes talking about their new airline jobs, and maybe, at some point, myself as well
Reading this thread produces a maelstrom of emotions: intense admiration and extreme jealousy!
Hopefully it won't be too long before we see some of the other regulars on Wannabes talking about their new airline jobs, and maybe, at some point, myself as well
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FL245
back to the old 'handle' again I see. Yes it was pretty funny wasn't it! Do you remember the Nazi on the ground who gave us so much s**t for it, and we were paying her fees!!!!!
Well done to you on the type rating, enjoy those short sectors and loadsa landings.
You should tell your story mate........I bet the punters would love the bit where Suzie got you out 'jogging' with the baby!!!!!!!
See ya soon and you owe me dinner........anything but MY Singapore Noodles recipe!!!!!!!
PP
back to the old 'handle' again I see. Yes it was pretty funny wasn't it! Do you remember the Nazi on the ground who gave us so much s**t for it, and we were paying her fees!!!!!
Well done to you on the type rating, enjoy those short sectors and loadsa landings.
You should tell your story mate........I bet the punters would love the bit where Suzie got you out 'jogging' with the baby!!!!!!!
See ya soon and you owe me dinner........anything but MY Singapore Noodles recipe!!!!!!!
PP
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Pilot pete.......
As many other have said.......
What a truly fantastic account of how it really happens for most people. SIR - I salute you and would love to meet you one day. Also a note for your amazing wife - If ever I had a reason to doubt marriage - this is not it.
May this post be a lesson to all wannabes, myself included, as to just how much commitment is involved in realising our dream.
I can honestly say that this post has touched me deeply and help me focus on the goal ahead. I thank you.
As you can tell I am fairly new to PPRUNE, but already I am seeing the benefits. One question however.....
I trust the self improver route is all but closed off now???? - My route is to save dosh as an IT contracter..... however is there any cheaper routes than a full or modular 509 course??? - and would this affect my chances of getting a job at the end of it???
Love to hear your comments pete and everyone with an interest.
P.S. - good luck with JMC.
As many other have said.......
What a truly fantastic account of how it really happens for most people. SIR - I salute you and would love to meet you one day. Also a note for your amazing wife - If ever I had a reason to doubt marriage - this is not it.
May this post be a lesson to all wannabes, myself included, as to just how much commitment is involved in realising our dream.
I can honestly say that this post has touched me deeply and help me focus on the goal ahead. I thank you.
As you can tell I am fairly new to PPRUNE, but already I am seeing the benefits. One question however.....
I trust the self improver route is all but closed off now???? - My route is to save dosh as an IT contracter..... however is there any cheaper routes than a full or modular 509 course??? - and would this affect my chances of getting a job at the end of it???
Love to hear your comments pete and everyone with an interest.
P.S. - good luck with JMC.
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Not sure on the self improver route now......best you start a thread about it yourself, after having searched the archives as it seems to p*ss a few people off if we have repeat posts.
I was under the impression that you could still do it, it is just that it's done in modules now of approved training, probably pretty close in cost to the route I took going on a BCPL Upgrade. You will come out with similar hours(read 'not many' into that) and will then have to give your all in the same way to get a start.
Best of luck,
Oh, and you contractors always earnt more than us permanent boys so I expect to see you qualified pretty soon!
PP
Not sure on the self improver route now......best you start a thread about it yourself, after having searched the archives as it seems to p*ss a few people off if we have repeat posts.
I was under the impression that you could still do it, it is just that it's done in modules now of approved training, probably pretty close in cost to the route I took going on a BCPL Upgrade. You will come out with similar hours(read 'not many' into that) and will then have to give your all in the same way to get a start.
Best of luck,
Oh, and you contractors always earnt more than us permanent boys so I expect to see you qualified pretty soon!
PP