FLYER Professional Flight Training Show
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From: PPRuNe
Hello,
First of all i would like to thank "CBF" for the ticket, Thank You!!!
Secondly the Flyer Show was very good, and the Seminars were brilliant, i did enjoyed particularly the last one with Sick Squid, always making us laugh as usual, it was brilliant, thanks to all involved.
G´Day
JP
First of all i would like to thank "CBF" for the ticket, Thank You!!!
Secondly the Flyer Show was very good, and the Seminars were brilliant, i did enjoyed particularly the last one with Sick Squid, always making us laugh as usual, it was brilliant, thanks to all involved.
G´Day
JP
Joined: Mar 2003
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From: Hereford UK
Flight Training Show
To those very kind persons who have publicly thanked me for tickets, - it was a pleasure to assist.
I thought the show was excellent, and I not only got the chance to meet up with many old friends, but more importantly, many new recruits to our very unique profession. You are all a very special breed - good luck, and remember, if you work hard, you will succeed.
cfb
I thought the show was excellent, and I not only got the chance to meet up with many old friends, but more importantly, many new recruits to our very unique profession. You are all a very special breed - good luck, and remember, if you work hard, you will succeed.
cfb
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: UK
Yep i went along today, didn't stay for seminars but gathered the information i wanted and talked to the pro's with relevant questions concerning ATPL groundschool. They were all very helpful.
I was quite impressed by Cranfield's pilot resources that one would use during the ATPL, they contained what looked like good info with illustrations and bullet point form booklets. I felt that from the ones i had spoken to today, Cranfield seemed very organised and had taken into account many other aspects in helping one through the ATPL.
It's not just down to what the study material contains and how well it has been constructed, but one needs to visit each individual college so they can get a true sense of what they are like and how they function.
Many thanks for all your help during today, much appreciated.
I was quite impressed by Cranfield's pilot resources that one would use during the ATPL, they contained what looked like good info with illustrations and bullet point form booklets. I felt that from the ones i had spoken to today, Cranfield seemed very organised and had taken into account many other aspects in helping one through the ATPL.
It's not just down to what the study material contains and how well it has been constructed, but one needs to visit each individual college so they can get a true sense of what they are like and how they function.
Many thanks for all your help during today, much appreciated.
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From: Edge of the fens
I did much the same as Spike001 - gathered copious amounts of literature and just soaked up the information that these guys were giving me. I don't mean to be disrespectful to the forums, but I think I now understand the career progression paths far more clearly after talking to these chaps face to face than I ever could from reading posts on here. I guess it's just the two way interaction that you get from having a one to one conversation.
Either way, the exhibition was well worth attending, and has given me plenty of food for thought. Sorry I didn't get to put any names to faces (I did spot someone whose red tie seemed to have little Concorde type shapes on it, but I was a bit too chicken to say hi to a complete stranger...
).
Did have an amusing moment at the GAPAN stand, watching someone achieve the stunning scores of 0/10, 1/10, 1/10, 0/10, and then ask the GAPAN man (with a straight face) whether he was cut out for a career in aviation!
Either way, the exhibition was well worth attending, and has given me plenty of food for thought. Sorry I didn't get to put any names to faces (I did spot someone whose red tie seemed to have little Concorde type shapes on it, but I was a bit too chicken to say hi to a complete stranger...
).Did have an amusing moment at the GAPAN stand, watching someone achieve the stunning scores of 0/10, 1/10, 1/10, 0/10, and then ask the GAPAN man (with a straight face) whether he was cut out for a career in aviation!
Joined: Jan 2003
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From: UK
LOL.. ..... i guess you got an answer of "yes"
I had ago on that GAPAN computer system, i immediately thought that having a joystick with rudder/yaw built into the yoke itself was something new and eager to try.
I just about managed to get the handle of the sim in the short space of time of 2 mins - twist the yoke while in the turns etc, and by the time it came to the second test, the other a/c was firmly in my sights...... could have blown him out of the sky!
I felt that the main test with that sim was how fast one could adapt to new controls and still fly the a/c as asked to do.
The weather looks good outside for the mo, hopefully i'll beat this rain when i go up flying later.
L8trz
I had ago on that GAPAN computer system, i immediately thought that having a joystick with rudder/yaw built into the yoke itself was something new and eager to try.
I just about managed to get the handle of the sim in the short space of time of 2 mins - twist the yoke while in the turns etc, and by the time it came to the second test, the other a/c was firmly in my sights...... could have blown him out of the sky!
I felt that the main test with that sim was how fast one could adapt to new controls and still fly the a/c as asked to do.
The weather looks good outside for the mo, hopefully i'll beat this rain when i go up flying later.
L8trz
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From: Everywhere
Unfortunatly I only got the last two seminars. However they were both really useful - Alan Hearton gave out just the sort of info that's hard to come across (day-in-the-life personal stuff), and Fogbound managed to hide embaressment at Mike Taylors references to her piloting brilliance!
It's a shame though because I'm stuck in year 1 of a Degree and not being able to fly yet (for a few unavoidable reasons despite motivation) is nothing short of frustrating. What can you do..!?
Thoroughly recommend info-soakage at next years one though, if there is one...!
Andy
It's a shame though because I'm stuck in year 1 of a Degree and not being able to fly yet (for a few unavoidable reasons despite motivation) is nothing short of frustrating. What can you do..!?
Thoroughly recommend info-soakage at next years one though, if there is one...!
Andy
Joined: Apr 2002
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From: In an office job
Dear all
Unfortunately due to other commitments I was unable to attend the show. However could anybody fill me in on any useful information learnt over the weekend in the areas of:
Any indication/forecast of a pickup in the recruitment market.
Any handy tips with training and job hunting.
Career development loans.
Also I’m looking to start my CPL at the end of July/August and wandered if anybody had any comments good and bad on the following establishments bearing in mind that I intend to do it Part time ie. weekends mainly due to work commitments.
Walkburys @ Sibson
Bonus @ Cranfield
Any body else @ Cranfield, Coventry, Oxford, Cambridge airfields or @ any other airfields that are local to Northamptonshire.
Was any of these present at the show and how did they present themselves.
Email if you feel that your comments are not appropriate to the forum.
Thanks
Mint
Unfortunately due to other commitments I was unable to attend the show. However could anybody fill me in on any useful information learnt over the weekend in the areas of:
Any indication/forecast of a pickup in the recruitment market.
Any handy tips with training and job hunting.
Career development loans.
Also I’m looking to start my CPL at the end of July/August and wandered if anybody had any comments good and bad on the following establishments bearing in mind that I intend to do it Part time ie. weekends mainly due to work commitments.
Walkburys @ Sibson
Bonus @ Cranfield
Any body else @ Cranfield, Coventry, Oxford, Cambridge airfields or @ any other airfields that are local to Northamptonshire.
Was any of these present at the show and how did they present themselves.
Email if you feel that your comments are not appropriate to the forum.
Thanks
Mint
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Joined: Aug 2002
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From: Deepest Warwickshire
Okay... an off-beat pirep from a flying PPL who made no notes.
GETTING THERE
============
http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/hotel.jpg
Finding the hotel in the labyrinthine Heathrow road system? Difficult if it's your first time. Parking at the hotel. Atrocious. Spotted spotters next door. On assumption that they have designated spotting areas with good parking availability, I head over there. This is the car park for the visitors information centre. *Tip*
Got there late. John Monks seminar already underway and packed out room. Ubergruppenfuhrer Seager grabbed me to take a few shots with my digi. Unfortunately, too much light behind John and couldn't budge past people for a better position.
Incidentally, John seemed to have a queue behind him, wherever he went. Wonder if this stretched to the Gents?
Also, something said by John in a quiet chat with some friends ond John on the lobby. When someone says, "don't send your CV", don't do it. There are people out there that reply with a CV saying, "I know you didn't say send a CV, but..."
SEMINARS
=======
Right, seminars in general. Well, it you are a prooner, you probably have learnt lots of stuff already. Much was repeated by different speakers, e.g. on the subject of qualifications, medicals and so forth.
Please guys, co-ordinate your content if possible!
IMO, BAe Jerez went on too long about how to study and this formed thebulk of their talk. Any keen GCSE-level student will know the theory about study breaks, review and revision. May have been useful for some but I counted over a dozen people leave before the session was over...
The Mike Taylor/Heather Moody session (Fogbound - made the name connection now. Are you married?
) was probably the best due to covering a wide range of subjects, which didn't have a FTO dint.
http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/mt.jpg
http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/hm.jpg
Comments included:
"spend days doing your CV".
"maintain currency"
"show commitment in interviews...ask questions"
and so forth
Shame the subject of private finance couldn't be broached in open discussion by Mike due to "advertising". An area worthy of a seminar. Perhaps next time, a pilot-savvy independant financial advisor could come along? (in fact, I know one). Good idea?
Loved Heather's remarks on PPRuNE. "The R stands for Rumour!"
This re-inforced an earlier thought I had whilst talking to people on the stands...
STANDS
=======
AFT made a serious point, in that I should visit them, so I we could have a proper one-one chat on the whole training schebang. Which as with Heather's sentiment, extends out for any FTO. Don't just PPRuNe, but do the leg work by visiting various training organisations. Help is also on offer with GAPAN, BALPA and the RAeS (Royal Aeronatical Society, who apparently run a careers service). Meet people. Network. Give yourself more power over the masses of "blind" CVs.
BTW, AFT teaming up with Delta in the US to offer American courses.
"Yes, Blue you ARE too old for the fuglie scheme"
CTC McAlpine chap tried to make out that his sponsorship scheme was completely free bar the selection process fee of £160-odd. Well, false advertising imo as this is not borne out by the supplied literature stating that you need to source £60000 up front.
Alex Whittingham and Bristol Groundschool's ATPL CDROM package looks great and is being continually developed. This is CAL (Computer-aided learning) at it's best.
The chaps at OAT (Oxford) are very friendly indeed.
My opening gambit to GAPAN chap : "so GAPAN then...is it an old boys' network?"
Did some of the basic aptitude tests...."Formation flying? Why, the Cessna in front is dodging about so much, it must be using thrust-vectoring...I'll just fly straight-and-level for a bit...he seems to be going in the same direction."
Multiflight had an interesting perspective on FI-ing. Rather than plumping straight-away for CPL then FI, the lady rep said most serious wannabes plump for the whole CPL/ME/IR package, then do FI if they can't find any work. Seems a bit daft know thinking about it. Thought it was profound at the time. I've missed the point now.
Didn't speak to many other FTOs. IMO, they all try to sell you the roughly the same package and there's only so many times you can look at the bottom line of the price list!
PUB LUNCH
==========
The Three Magpies. Not many in there at 2pm. One attendee started having a geeky anal-logic-sounding barney with the bar staff. This particular chap behind the bar could easily play hooker for Leicester Tigers.
So to the arguing antendee/punter...Stay clear mate, stay well clear!
Not the right way of becoming a pilot.
CONCLUSION
==========
Was pretty guarded with my comments about the show with Ian Seager and Nick Wall. But, there really isn't something like this anywhere else in the country, is there? Brings a lot of people together under one roof, so good on the FLYER team for doing it and putting in the hard work!
(I think I may have my photo in the next edition of the mag...oh...dear
)
GETTING THERE
============
http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/hotel.jpg
Finding the hotel in the labyrinthine Heathrow road system? Difficult if it's your first time. Parking at the hotel. Atrocious. Spotted spotters next door. On assumption that they have designated spotting areas with good parking availability, I head over there. This is the car park for the visitors information centre. *Tip*
Got there late. John Monks seminar already underway and packed out room. Ubergruppenfuhrer Seager grabbed me to take a few shots with my digi. Unfortunately, too much light behind John and couldn't budge past people for a better position.
Incidentally, John seemed to have a queue behind him, wherever he went. Wonder if this stretched to the Gents?
Also, something said by John in a quiet chat with some friends ond John on the lobby. When someone says, "don't send your CV", don't do it. There are people out there that reply with a CV saying, "I know you didn't say send a CV, but..."
SEMINARS
=======
Right, seminars in general. Well, it you are a prooner, you probably have learnt lots of stuff already. Much was repeated by different speakers, e.g. on the subject of qualifications, medicals and so forth.
Please guys, co-ordinate your content if possible!IMO, BAe Jerez went on too long about how to study and this formed thebulk of their talk. Any keen GCSE-level student will know the theory about study breaks, review and revision. May have been useful for some but I counted over a dozen people leave before the session was over...
The Mike Taylor/Heather Moody session (Fogbound - made the name connection now. Are you married?
) was probably the best due to covering a wide range of subjects, which didn't have a FTO dint. http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/mt.jpg
http://www.avsoft.co.uk/shuttle/hm.jpg
Comments included:
"spend days doing your CV".
"maintain currency"
"show commitment in interviews...ask questions"
and so forth
Shame the subject of private finance couldn't be broached in open discussion by Mike due to "advertising". An area worthy of a seminar. Perhaps next time, a pilot-savvy independant financial advisor could come along? (in fact, I know one). Good idea?
Loved Heather's remarks on PPRuNE. "The R stands for Rumour!"
This re-inforced an earlier thought I had whilst talking to people on the stands...
STANDS
=======
AFT made a serious point, in that I should visit them, so I we could have a proper one-one chat on the whole training schebang. Which as with Heather's sentiment, extends out for any FTO. Don't just PPRuNe, but do the leg work by visiting various training organisations. Help is also on offer with GAPAN, BALPA and the RAeS (Royal Aeronatical Society, who apparently run a careers service). Meet people. Network. Give yourself more power over the masses of "blind" CVs.
BTW, AFT teaming up with Delta in the US to offer American courses.
"Yes, Blue you ARE too old for the fuglie scheme"
CTC McAlpine chap tried to make out that his sponsorship scheme was completely free bar the selection process fee of £160-odd. Well, false advertising imo as this is not borne out by the supplied literature stating that you need to source £60000 up front.
Alex Whittingham and Bristol Groundschool's ATPL CDROM package looks great and is being continually developed. This is CAL (Computer-aided learning) at it's best.
The chaps at OAT (Oxford) are very friendly indeed.
My opening gambit to GAPAN chap : "so GAPAN then...is it an old boys' network?"
Did some of the basic aptitude tests...."Formation flying? Why, the Cessna in front is dodging about so much, it must be using thrust-vectoring...I'll just fly straight-and-level for a bit...he seems to be going in the same direction."
Multiflight had an interesting perspective on FI-ing. Rather than plumping straight-away for CPL then FI, the lady rep said most serious wannabes plump for the whole CPL/ME/IR package, then do FI if they can't find any work. Seems a bit daft know thinking about it. Thought it was profound at the time. I've missed the point now.
Didn't speak to many other FTOs. IMO, they all try to sell you the roughly the same package and there's only so many times you can look at the bottom line of the price list!
PUB LUNCH
==========
The Three Magpies. Not many in there at 2pm. One attendee started having a geeky anal-logic-sounding barney with the bar staff. This particular chap behind the bar could easily play hooker for Leicester Tigers.
So to the arguing antendee/punter...Stay clear mate, stay well clear!Not the right way of becoming a pilot.
CONCLUSION
==========
Was pretty guarded with my comments about the show with Ian Seager and Nick Wall. But, there really isn't something like this anywhere else in the country, is there? Brings a lot of people together under one roof, so good on the FLYER team for doing it and putting in the hard work!
(I think I may have my photo in the next edition of the mag...oh...dear
)
Last edited by BlueRobin; 15th April 2003 at 00:40.
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Notes from the Open Day
You requested some notes from the open day so here they are.
There is a link to
http://www.lavoilerie.com/family/Pil...DaySummary.htm
and from there you can download them in PDF.
The notes were too large to be pasted in here
Please let me know how useful they are as I did them initially for my own use.
kind Regards
Peter
There is a link to
http://www.lavoilerie.com/family/Pil...DaySummary.htm
and from there you can download them in PDF.
The notes were too large to be pasted in here
Please let me know how useful they are as I did them initially for my own use.
kind Regards
Peter
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From: good old blighty
Well thank you boys!!
you make me blush !!Well, hopefully that will mean more of you will be at the next exhibition!
Hope everyone enjoyed the day and I look forward to hearing more of you in the sky in the not too distant future!
Boys?
Joined: Sep 2001
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From: good old blighty
Seminar Notes
You can find the outline of my seminar and other from the show at the following link:
http://www.lavoilerie.com/family/Pil...DaySummary.htm
With thanks to colbackp for putting it all together.
http://www.lavoilerie.com/family/Pil...DaySummary.htm
With thanks to colbackp for putting it all together.