alternatives for low houred pilots
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I would firstly like to let people know this topic is started with questions and not answers - sorry!
I have had a frozen ATPL for about a year and a half now after graduating from BAE systems in spain and have done nothing but bombard airlines since with no possitive reply! to make myself more appealing, other than having a sex change opperation, i completed a type rating course on a shorts 330 -360 and have a multi pilot IR, with just shy of 300 hours i would like to know, where do i go from here?
reasently posted by Pa28biggles, a topic on similar lines, wee weasly said that low houred pilots are too eager to get on the big jets and try and steal his salary, and that we should have fun doing other things in the aviation industry first! www, what other options are there?
i have tried applying for flying outfits from Australia to the Antarctic, and its the same story as the airlines - EXPERIENCE PLEASE. other outfits require 700 hrs for single pilot ops, but i just cant afford to hour build.
i am just about out of ideas for alternatives to airlines so any one with an answer or even an idea, throw it in the pot and lets start cooking!
I have had a frozen ATPL for about a year and a half now after graduating from BAE systems in spain and have done nothing but bombard airlines since with no possitive reply! to make myself more appealing, other than having a sex change opperation, i completed a type rating course on a shorts 330 -360 and have a multi pilot IR, with just shy of 300 hours i would like to know, where do i go from here?
reasently posted by Pa28biggles, a topic on similar lines, wee weasly said that low houred pilots are too eager to get on the big jets and try and steal his salary, and that we should have fun doing other things in the aviation industry first! www, what other options are there?
i have tried applying for flying outfits from Australia to the Antarctic, and its the same story as the airlines - EXPERIENCE PLEASE. other outfits require 700 hrs for single pilot ops, but i just cant afford to hour build.
i am just about out of ideas for alternatives to airlines so any one with an answer or even an idea, throw it in the pot and lets start cooking!
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Looks like you have started to feel the reality of the Job market.
It took me 5 years to get an airline Job, After two years of doing the same thing you have i bit the bullet and did an FI course. Although instructors jobs are just as hard to get these days. You will end up working for nothing but that said you will keep current which is the main thing.
Other than that get doen to the gliding/parachute clubs as they should be looking in the next few months.
there are Jet jobs out there, but thanks to companies like CTC jobs are harder to find and the airlines know people will work for peanuts.
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It took me 5 years to get an airline Job, After two years of doing the same thing you have i bit the bullet and did an FI course. Although instructors jobs are just as hard to get these days. You will end up working for nothing but that said you will keep current which is the main thing.
Other than that get doen to the gliding/parachute clubs as they should be looking in the next few months.
there are Jet jobs out there, but thanks to companies like CTC jobs are harder to find and the airlines know people will work for peanuts.
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Hi there - not sure what the requirements are but have you checked out:-
AERIAL SURVEY
pipeline patrols, photography for map-making and oil exploration
AGRICULTURE
protecting crops and forests - crop-dusting
AIR-TAXI
GLIDER-TOWING
BANNER-TOWING!!!
THOSE REALLY SMALL SIGHT-SEEING OUTFITS IN THE OUTBACK, that takes backpackers on a 1hr jolly looking at the scenery.
DELIVERY
of mail, newspapers and essential items to really remote areas of countries with poor land infrastructure.
CHARITY - some org. arrange trips for disabled and disavataged young people etc.
Just a few ideas, but like I said I have no idea what qualifications you'll need for the above
AERIAL SURVEY
pipeline patrols, photography for map-making and oil exploration
AGRICULTURE
protecting crops and forests - crop-dusting
AIR-TAXI
GLIDER-TOWING
BANNER-TOWING!!!
THOSE REALLY SMALL SIGHT-SEEING OUTFITS IN THE OUTBACK, that takes backpackers on a 1hr jolly looking at the scenery.
DELIVERY
of mail, newspapers and essential items to really remote areas of countries with poor land infrastructure.
CHARITY - some org. arrange trips for disabled and disavataged young people etc.
Just a few ideas, but like I said I have no idea what qualifications you'll need for the above
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Try things like aerial photography, lots of hours in the summer and reasonable pay, but it does have the disadvantage of that you can be accused of "low flying "when you aren't , so beware !
There is also the Parachuting clubs and Gliding clubs, loads of hours, but little or no pay, but hey if you're doing nothing anyway at least your building yours hours. With a bit of luck you would finish a season with an extra 500hrs in your book and you will work your bollox off !
If you're lucky you may end up keeping your multi rating current on an Islander or SkyVan so give Peterborogh Para Club a bell, especially as you've a shed rating anyway.
Good Luck.
There is also the Parachuting clubs and Gliding clubs, loads of hours, but little or no pay, but hey if you're doing nothing anyway at least your building yours hours. With a bit of luck you would finish a season with an extra 500hrs in your book and you will work your bollox off !
If you're lucky you may end up keeping your multi rating current on an Islander or SkyVan so give Peterborogh Para Club a bell, especially as you've a shed rating anyway.
Good Luck.
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Getting that first job has never been easy and never will (see BB's post and many, many others).
Also remember you are not the first one finding it difficult but those who have persevered long enough have succeeded.
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Get your bum there rather. You are one in a million but as soon as you turn up, the odds go in you favour.
Also remember you are not the first one finding it difficult but those who have persevered long enough have succeeded.
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i have tried applying for flying outfits from Australia to the Antarctic
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bluebaron - I don't understand when you say thanks to companies like CTC, jobs are harder to find. CTC provide low hour pilots with the oppurtunity to get jet jobs in companies which otherwise would not hire low hour pilots. I'm not blowing their trumpet but I managed to get a job through CTC 8 months ago. I completed my ATPL training 12 months ago.
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other than having a sex change operation
Things are just as difficult for women when it comes to getting a job - despite what men think!
keep on plugging away Pretty Boy, keep updating and sending out the CV's as i'm sure airlines are not keeping them on file for long at the moment....
Have you thought about doing CTC scheme?..... i'm always hearing positive things about it.
I got my ATPL last year too, from Oxford, and have just managed to get a job with Flybe on the Dash...... after much CV sending and LOTS of rejection!!!
Best of luck
BPM
Have you thought about doing CTC scheme?..... i'm always hearing positive things about it.
I got my ATPL last year too, from Oxford, and have just managed to get a job with Flybe on the Dash...... after much CV sending and LOTS of rejection!!!
Best of luck
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lemon,
the reason i'm not keen on places like CTC is basically the fact that they make arrangments with various airlines to provide pilots at low cost. THis damages the market place. If companies like this didn't do it then the airlines would all have to employ low houred pilots at a decent wage.
Don't get me wrong, CTC has placed many pilots over the years including friends of mine. But if low hour guys didn't work for peanuts then everyone would be better off. Just my two pence worth...
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the reason i'm not keen on places like CTC is basically the fact that they make arrangments with various airlines to provide pilots at low cost. THis damages the market place. If companies like this didn't do it then the airlines would all have to employ low houred pilots at a decent wage.
Don't get me wrong, CTC has placed many pilots over the years including friends of mine. But if low hour guys didn't work for peanuts then everyone would be better off. Just my two pence worth...
BB
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thanks for all the ideas, and to er82 ITS CALLED HUMOUR!
i have applied to ctc in the past and find their selection very odd, seems they only take people aged 25-30. everyone outside this brackett, including myself and friends havent had a look in. if im wrong, please some one set me right!
all the best!
i have applied to ctc in the past and find their selection very odd, seems they only take people aged 25-30. everyone outside this brackett, including myself and friends havent had a look in. if im wrong, please some one set me right!
all the best!
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bluebaron - I don't understand when you say working for peanuts.
Yes, for the first 6 months you're on an allowance (which is more than a senior cabin crew member in my airline gets and is not far off what I would have been getting by my sponsor airline which I was made redundant from) but after that it's a full salary. So again, where are the peanuts?
Yes, for the first 6 months you're on an allowance (which is more than a senior cabin crew member in my airline gets and is not far off what I would have been getting by my sponsor airline which I was made redundant from) but after that it's a full salary. So again, where are the peanuts?
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Where are the peanuts!!
Right in front of you!
I worked four long hard years self financing/studying for my training. Lets assume I could afford the CTC scheme, that first six months pay with CTC wont make the payments for my debt. Thats peanuts for me Lemon.
Now I dont hold these cadets in disdain but I tend to agree with BB on this one. As a low houred new recruit I landed a job with a UK major which I subsuquently lost after Sept. 11th. Despite a contract and pay cheque in the bank I still dont have my job back. Why? The company replaced us with CTC cadets because they were CHEAPER!
Now wheres the advantage for the just as deserving but less affluent low houred pilot??
Would you have taken my job?
Now before you flame me, I have yet another jet job and yes I gained it as a low houred pilot after 09/11. Without paying for it and for a proper salary.
Rant over.
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I worked four long hard years self financing/studying for my training. Lets assume I could afford the CTC scheme, that first six months pay with CTC wont make the payments for my debt. Thats peanuts for me Lemon.
Now I dont hold these cadets in disdain but I tend to agree with BB on this one. As a low houred new recruit I landed a job with a UK major which I subsuquently lost after Sept. 11th. Despite a contract and pay cheque in the bank I still dont have my job back. Why? The company replaced us with CTC cadets because they were CHEAPER!
Now wheres the advantage for the just as deserving but less affluent low houred pilot?? Would you have taken my job?
Now before you flame me, I have yet another jet job and yes I gained it as a low houred pilot after 09/11. Without paying for it and for a proper salary.
Rant over.
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When people say that
whilst obviously it seems that is always a way to get the jobs - how exactly do you choose 'where' to go and then how do you pay for it? It is all very well for people to say well go to Africa - but where and how and how long to stay etc.. How if you are already crippled by debt do you then afford a plane trip or trips to far flung places which will always cost you more than say a trip to magaluz (local spelling for brits abroad)?
People I am sure want to get their bum there but where exactly and how to choose - it is a lot to risk with little chance of return and going to somewhere like angola is a bit different than going to fairoaks!
Get your bum there rather. You are one in a million but as soon as you turn up, the odds go in you favour.
People I am sure want to get their bum there but where exactly and how to choose - it is a lot to risk with little chance of return and going to somewhere like angola is a bit different than going to fairoaks!
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MAX - the pay for the first 6 months is equivalent to a full salary if you were flying for a small turbo-prop operator so at the end of the day where's the problem?
As a low hour pilot you can't expect to land a full salary jet job and the fact of the matter is if CTC wasn't there a lot of these airlines wouldn't be taking low hour guys in the first place.
As a low hour pilot you can't expect to land a full salary jet job and the fact of the matter is if CTC wasn't there a lot of these airlines wouldn't be taking low hour guys in the first place.
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Quite the contary.
CTC, to my knowledge recruit for quite a few airlines such as easyjet, JMC, Monach etc.
If you apply to CTC and are unsuccessful then all these airlines will not recruit you, (until you have a low more experience). Therefore Your chances of employment are considerably less.
Also if the airlines had to recruit directly the competition to recruit low houred pilots would increase, the airlines would have to offer cadet pilots more (type rating, better wages, pension etc.). Instead they all go to one "pool" and save money (who can blame them).
Its difficult because from it does look like everyone gains, the airline, the pilot and CTC but it's the industry as a whole that suffers partically the overall recruitment of cadet pilots.
I don't condone anyone for paying into these schemes, including the ryan air 18K type rating bond. But the more people that do the longer the situation will remain.
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CTC, to my knowledge recruit for quite a few airlines such as easyjet, JMC, Monach etc.
If you apply to CTC and are unsuccessful then all these airlines will not recruit you, (until you have a low more experience). Therefore Your chances of employment are considerably less.
Also if the airlines had to recruit directly the competition to recruit low houred pilots would increase, the airlines would have to offer cadet pilots more (type rating, better wages, pension etc.). Instead they all go to one "pool" and save money (who can blame them).
Its difficult because from it does look like everyone gains, the airline, the pilot and CTC but it's the industry as a whole that suffers partically the overall recruitment of cadet pilots.
I don't condone anyone for paying into these schemes, including the ryan air 18K type rating bond. But the more people that do the longer the situation will remain.
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how exactly do you choose 'where' to go and then how do you pay for it?
- One of the adventure type of programme frequently aired on TV, kept showing great pictures about a country I had never heard of but with a widlife and landscape that got me dreaming.
I bought a JP airlines guide where most of the airlines, Air taxis operators can be found along with fleet details.
- Checked that country's page and since there were a lot C206s operating in the area, I decided that I had my chances (500 hours TT).
- Went to BA and bought a ticket
- and Got my bum
Nothing more and nothing less to it.
As for CTC
, I'd say no more because I can't be bothered and I know far too well how it affected me.
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Hey Lemon,
Congrats on landing a job recently.
I am almost definite I am going to do the CTC scheme towards the end of the year when I am finish training, can you give me tips on it or why you think you got it over the others. What was the general experienc of competion level like and was there much of awaiting list to do the selections. Would you advise doing some extra sim hours prior to it or would it help.
Good luck with the rest of your career
Congrats on landing a job recently.
I am almost definite I am going to do the CTC scheme towards the end of the year when I am finish training, can you give me tips on it or why you think you got it over the others. What was the general experienc of competion level like and was there much of awaiting list to do the selections. Would you advise doing some extra sim hours prior to it or would it help.
Good luck with the rest of your career