EPTA and Cabair
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EPTA and Cabair
Anyone around with experiences with EPTA or Cabair in general.
EPTA apparently uses Cabair manuals for their ATPL training. I have seen OATS manuals but I would like to know how they compare with the Cabair ones.
I have seen EPTA advertise on this site a lot and they have a very competitive price for their resident ATPL course. Has anyone completed this training and was there value for the money.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
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EPTA apparently uses Cabair manuals for their ATPL training. I have seen OATS manuals but I would like to know how they compare with the Cabair ones.
I have seen EPTA advertise on this site a lot and they have a very competitive price for their resident ATPL course. Has anyone completed this training and was there value for the money.
Any info would be greatly appreciated
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Actually, they aren't all Four Forces notes, however, EPTA themselves admit that their notes in many subjects are poor.
Certainly there is no comparison with Cabairs and OATS notes. OATS notes are in another league.
...but then OATS charge as though they are in another league!
To get around the problem, the instructors often use their own notes from previous schools (eg PPSC).
The best thing about EPTA right now, is that because they are only in module 2 of their 1st course, they have very small classes, and I think that can be extremely beneficial.
They also offer free re-training on any subjects you fail.
For these 2 reasons I think it is good value for money.
IH
Certainly there is no comparison with Cabairs and OATS notes. OATS notes are in another league.
...but then OATS charge as though they are in another league!
To get around the problem, the instructors often use their own notes from previous schools (eg PPSC).
The best thing about EPTA right now, is that because they are only in module 2 of their 1st course, they have very small classes, and I think that can be extremely beneficial.
They also offer free re-training on any subjects you fail.
For these 2 reasons I think it is good value for money.
IH
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Island Hopper - I doubt that the instructors use PPSC notes (or any others for that matter), as the copyright to these is still held by Mrs Longhurst. She licences use of them to GTS, but unless someone says otherwise I doubt EPTA pay for them. After his previous experience with Mrs Longhurst I expect the manager of EPTA, Mr Green, is very careful that his instructors do not breach her copyright.
Copyright is a serious business in FTOs, as the notes and questions involve a good deal of work. It costs several thousand pounds to produce a manual.
Copyright is a serious business in FTOs, as the notes and questions involve a good deal of work. It costs several thousand pounds to produce a manual.
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Sorry, I didn't make myself clear.
I said "their own notes". I didn't mean the notes belonging to another school. Many of the notes to which I refer are hand written. Those notes and slides which are typed do not belong to other schools - they belong to the instructor, and some of the notes and teaching aids were written when working at previous schools, but won't be found in that school's notes.
Every instructor has his own material, no?
I was actually inferring that an instructor there used to work for PPSC, not that they are using PPSC's notes.
And thank you, but I am well aware that copyright is a serious business.
Whilst I accept that I wasn't clear in my previous post,
Don't stir Send Clowns. I know you teach at a rival school.
IH
I said "their own notes". I didn't mean the notes belonging to another school. Many of the notes to which I refer are hand written. Those notes and slides which are typed do not belong to other schools - they belong to the instructor, and some of the notes and teaching aids were written when working at previous schools, but won't be found in that school's notes.
Every instructor has his own material, no?
I was actually inferring that an instructor there used to work for PPSC, not that they are using PPSC's notes.
And thank you, but I am well aware that copyright is a serious business.
Whilst I accept that I wasn't clear in my previous post,
Don't stir Send Clowns. I know you teach at a rival school.
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IH,
Well spotted in your observations that Send Clowns works for another set up, you might want to consider a career in the police.
I did think that Send Clowns for a change was stating the obvious however with out any prejudice to EPTA ( well ok maybe their predecessor SFT whose engaged PPSC in legal activities over copyright and came joint second with PPSC to the solicitors)
As it would appear you have some connection with EPTA what happened to John Standen???
Rob
Well spotted in your observations that Send Clowns works for another set up, you might want to consider a career in the police.
I did think that Send Clowns for a change was stating the obvious however with out any prejudice to EPTA ( well ok maybe their predecessor SFT whose engaged PPSC in legal activities over copyright and came joint second with PPSC to the solicitors)
As it would appear you have some connection with EPTA what happened to John Standen???
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If this gets into another FTO 'A' staff vs FTO 'B' staff thread, I shall end up banning all known FTO staff from Wannabes!! Guys, keep your arguments elsewhere - and if I feel I have to remind you yet again to explicitly state that you work for an FTO when posting on relevant topics, I won't bother - I'll just ban you anyway!
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Scroggs,
SAVE THE CLOWN
Whilst I appreciate there is no room for gamesmanship with in pprune I would be most upset if you were to ban Send Clowns as he is the only person who seems to take things seriously. The comments he offers never really takes on a company bias, and he is quite up front about who he works for. Island Hopper on the other seems to be agitated about things and maybe should be banned.
I for my part am pleased to say i got afirst time pass (irt) at PAT and therefore have no axes to grind with either SFT/EPTA or CABAIR .
Rob
SAVE THE CLOWN
Whilst I appreciate there is no room for gamesmanship with in pprune I would be most upset if you were to ban Send Clowns as he is the only person who seems to take things seriously. The comments he offers never really takes on a company bias, and he is quite up front about who he works for. Island Hopper on the other seems to be agitated about things and maybe should be banned.
I for my part am pleased to say i got afirst time pass (irt) at PAT and therefore have no axes to grind with either SFT/EPTA or CABAIR .
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????
I'm not agitated at all. I'm as cool as a cucumber thanks mate!
I have no idea what I have said which means I should be banned.
Rob, I think scroggs is referring to several threads in which there has been bickering between instructors from EPTA and BCFT, and Send Clowns has been warned.
In other words, the comment from scroggs does not apply to just this thread.
I'm just a student who commented on the original subject of this post, regarding Cabair manuals!
IH
I have no idea what I have said which means I should be banned.
Rob, I think scroggs is referring to several threads in which there has been bickering between instructors from EPTA and BCFT, and Send Clowns has been warned.
In other words, the comment from scroggs does not apply to just this thread.
I'm just a student who commented on the original subject of this post, regarding Cabair manuals!
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Rob
as I'm sure Clowns et al appreciate, my post was slightly tongue in cheek. Nevertheless, it carries a serious point. Remember that many readers of wannabes don't have the advantage of long months scanning these pages, and don't know one poster from another. That's why it's so important for those with vested interests to be identifiable.
Hopper don't worry - you're safe! Your interpretation is spot on.
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as I'm sure Clowns et al appreciate, my post was slightly tongue in cheek. Nevertheless, it carries a serious point. Remember that many readers of wannabes don't have the advantage of long months scanning these pages, and don't know one poster from another. That's why it's so important for those with vested interests to be identifiable.
Hopper don't worry - you're safe! Your interpretation is spot on.
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well here goes, i'll get shot down by everyone. i went to cabair and passed all the ground school with pretty good results. yes we did use 4forces manuals officially, but i don't think i opened a single one because we were given so many handouts that the instructors wrote themselves. the ground school was excellent, and i think that cabair has now written its own manuals. they were working on it when i left groundschool. and no i don't work for them
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The law of copyright is very serious - witness the (historic) PPSC v SFT.
An author (working alone or for anyone else) may not claim copyright to factual information, but only to the way in which the information is presented (eg in diagrammatic form).
Be careful of uninformed information and rumour....
David Webb
An author (working alone or for anyone else) may not claim copyright to factual information, but only to the way in which the information is presented (eg in diagrammatic form).
Be careful of uninformed information and rumour....
David Webb
