Training in the USA - Visa and TSA Requirements
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EI-CD,
It is valid for up to 50% over the actual course length but no more then 12 months. In other words if a course if 6 months you will most likely get a 9 month visa. I would have to add that many schools do not know about the exact rules regarding this so many schools issue 12 month I-20's. Sometimes the US embassy doesnt question it either but I do know in some cases students were approved less time in their passport.
The M-1 visa can be extended only ONE TIME (for maximum 12 months) so if you do not finish after the extension you would be required to leave the country. Then you could conceivably apply for another I-20/M-1 visa but be prepared to do some very good explaining why they should give you another visa
It is valid for up to 50% over the actual course length but no more then 12 months. In other words if a course if 6 months you will most likely get a 9 month visa. I would have to add that many schools do not know about the exact rules regarding this so many schools issue 12 month I-20's. Sometimes the US embassy doesnt question it either but I do know in some cases students were approved less time in their passport.
The M-1 visa can be extended only ONE TIME (for maximum 12 months) so if you do not finish after the extension you would be required to leave the country. Then you could conceivably apply for another I-20/M-1 visa but be prepared to do some very good explaining why they should give you another visa
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Visas that allow you to work in the US
All of you wize guys and girls out there!!
Does anybody know about a visa that allows you to work as a flight instructur or in banner towing in the US for shorter periods??
Does anybody know about a visa that allows you to work as a flight instructur or in banner towing in the US for shorter periods??
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It's not that bad really, they just want to confirm who you are and where you're going, I heard it only takes 20 min.
What's the added security value of a visa if you could get it over the mail?
Lot of people seem to be upset about being treated the same as every other nationality...bit of a laugh really..
Didn't Reid (the shoebomber) live in the UK?
Wat about that imam in a mosque in London...you now the guy with no hands who was persecuted in Egypt for being a little too radical and getting asylum in the UK?
What's the added security value of a visa if you could get it over the mail?
Lot of people seem to be upset about being treated the same as every other nationality...bit of a laugh really..
Didn't Reid (the shoebomber) live in the UK?
Wat about that imam in a mosque in London...you now the guy with no hands who was persecuted in Egypt for being a little too radical and getting asylum in the UK?
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The ridiculous US visa system has just ruined my planned trip to the states to do my PPL. Firstly their appointment booking system is a premium rate number which costs £1.30 a minute, they deliberatly repeat the recorded messages to waste your time and cost you more and then you get told that you have to wait over a month for an appointment. The woman on the other end clearly didn't give a toss that this would destroy my one and only chance to do my PPL in the next few years and wouldn't give me any advice whatsoever. They also want to take away my passport for a week which would prevent me doing my job (cabin crew).
No wonder everyone hates the americans when they treat even their "closest allies" like criminals. By the way, I am British, I have no links whatsoever with Muslim extremists, Islam or anything else, I have a nice home, decent enough job and family. Anyone with half an eye can see I will not want to live in the USA or blow it up.
No wonder everyone hates the americans when they treat even their "closest allies" like criminals. By the way, I am British, I have no links whatsoever with Muslim extremists, Islam or anything else, I have a nice home, decent enough job and family. Anyone with half an eye can see I will not want to live in the USA or blow it up.
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I have just completed the J-1 Visa merry-go-round Its complicated, requires a certain amony of time and dedication, yes you may have to plan on not having your passport HHmmmm a bit like trying for any flying licence?
How many people get aggravated here in the UK about the lack of control of immigrants into the country? It seems to me that if you want the visa then be prepared to do the things that the people (who's country you wish to enter) are asking.
I have J-1 Visa for myself, (2 hours wait in the Embassy) and a J-2 for my wife. The system is not perfect by any means, but at the end of the day I am now able to stay in the US for 2 years and complete my training. Isn't that worth a little bit of effort?
How many people get aggravated here in the UK about the lack of control of immigrants into the country? It seems to me that if you want the visa then be prepared to do the things that the people (who's country you wish to enter) are asking.
I have J-1 Visa for myself, (2 hours wait in the Embassy) and a J-2 for my wife. The system is not perfect by any means, but at the end of the day I am now able to stay in the US for 2 years and complete my training. Isn't that worth a little bit of effort?
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No wonder everyone hates the americans when they treat even their "closest allies" like criminals
I love most americans, except for a few.
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M1 , tough question for NAC
Naples Air Center, Inc
Are you aware there are flightschools, who participate in the TSA very tough screening (fingerprints etc.) on www.flightschoolcandidates.gov , and for specific courses ( license upgrade etc ), that don't issue I-20 forms ?
So a B visa on the Visa Waiver Prorgam might be good enough for selected courses and flightschools ?
S.
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- immigration officers / VISA are there to assess people for the risk of staying in a country without the means to earn money
- TSA is there to asses the security risk of people.
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Are you aware there are flightschools, who participate in the TSA very tough screening (fingerprints etc.) on www.flightschoolcandidates.gov , and for specific courses ( license upgrade etc ), that don't issue I-20 forms ?
So a B visa on the Visa Waiver Prorgam might be good enough for selected courses and flightschools ?
S.
p.s.
- immigration officers / VISA are there to assess people for the risk of staying in a country without the means to earn money
- TSA is there to asses the security risk of people.
Like coffee and tea, not different cups of tea.
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Sensible, I think you'll be fine in SA .. I did hr building there and it was great laugh .. cheap, food better, people nicer.
Plus, I did PPL in US and hr built there too, was OK when I was there .. however, since had a visit from Special Branch ala FBI.
About time I think for bods to tell the yanks where to stick their homeland security, wash their hands of them .. and get out flying in better and friendlier places
ta ra
Plus, I did PPL in US and hr built there too, was OK when I was there .. however, since had a visit from Special Branch ala FBI.
About time I think for bods to tell the yanks where to stick their homeland security, wash their hands of them .. and get out flying in better and friendlier places
ta ra
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The M1 visa debate continues.......
It is true that the TSA requirement does not require you to be on a Visa. In fact, the Deputy Sherriff that comes to do the students fingerprints at NAC does not even want to see an original passport anymore........but what he does need to send to the TSA with the fingerprints to get approval for training is:
1. Copy of Passport
2. Copy of I20 visa form
3. Copy of student visa in the passport.
ChewyTheWookie
Sorry to hear about your troubles.......I can advise that we have many cabin crew for training and they use a visa processing service which turns around the visas in a couple of days when they are not flying. Please email and I will put you in touch with one of the students that did this.
As for this.....the process is getting just as bad going into the UK, but saying that everyone hates americans .....that's just as bad as the few Americans generalizing about the French just because the President over there does not agree with the War.... I am British and I live in the US for one reason only......I run a flight school and I believe that the best place for my Flight school is in Florida.
Getting back to flying......yes there are some things that you need to do but for most is put them out for a bit of form filling and going up to the Embassy. We have pretty much roughened the edges on the system and students are moving through quite smoothly. Most students see putting up with this is still worth the brilliant flying that you will get in the US.
On a final note, I would suggest that you contact your school that you are going to and see if they can assist you....most will have a contact at the US Embassy that you can call.
Good luck to you
1. Copy of Passport
2. Copy of I20 visa form
3. Copy of student visa in the passport.
ChewyTheWookie
Sorry to hear about your troubles.......I can advise that we have many cabin crew for training and they use a visa processing service which turns around the visas in a couple of days when they are not flying. Please email and I will put you in touch with one of the students that did this.
No wonder everyone hates the americans when they treat even their "closest allies" like criminals
Getting back to flying......yes there are some things that you need to do but for most is put them out for a bit of form filling and going up to the Embassy. We have pretty much roughened the edges on the system and students are moving through quite smoothly. Most students see putting up with this is still worth the brilliant flying that you will get in the US.
On a final note, I would suggest that you contact your school that you are going to and see if they can assist you....most will have a contact at the US Embassy that you can call.
Good luck to you
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@ Ninety-Nines
Still mixed up;
On B visa you are approved to study, if a study is less than 18 hours a week.
1. no study, No I-20, no M1
2. A participant on the WVP gets a B for 90 days
A multi add-on will take about 10 hours. This will need TSA approval.
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Still mixed up;
On B visa you are approved to study, if a study is less than 18 hours a week.
1. no study, No I-20, no M1
2. A participant on the WVP gets a B for 90 days
A multi add-on will take about 10 hours. This will need TSA approval.
S.
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M-2 Visa
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Supposing i am going for the flight training with my spouse, how do i get the M-2 visa.Is the school required to also send an I-20 form for my spouse?(she s not going for training)
Supposing i am going for the flight training with my spouse, how do i get the M-2 visa.Is the school required to also send an I-20 form for my spouse?(she s not going for training)
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The local homeland security office is clear in as much that any student completing training towards a licence certificate or rating requires an M1 visa. ie if you have a FAA PPL and want to get a JAA PPL, then this is not considered training as you are licenced and rated in the aircraft that you are flying. If however you do not have any licence you would need a visa. In another manner, if you hold an SEP PPL and want to add a MEP, you would need a visa. It has been rumoured that the FAA Examiners will soon need to take copied of the visas as well as their ID's when giving check rides.
A visa waiver form is not and does not give you a B visa; you have to apply for a B visa. A visa waiver (green form) is a programme offered through the Airlines to avoid some approved countries the requirement to attain a visa to visit those Countries.......not train, study or work.
Generally there are two B visa, B1 and B2. One is primarily for people who own a house etc and want to be in the US for up to 6 months at a time. The other is attained when you are visiting the US on business and allows you to work on behalf of the Company that sent you to the US.
The process for the B visa is very similar to that of the M visa but they are harder to come by these days as people were abusing the system.......shock horror
Engine Noise
It is really simple to get a M2 visa for your wife/significant other......we just add her details onto the form and you take it along with yours to the US Embassy appointment.
A visa waiver form is not and does not give you a B visa; you have to apply for a B visa. A visa waiver (green form) is a programme offered through the Airlines to avoid some approved countries the requirement to attain a visa to visit those Countries.......not train, study or work.
Generally there are two B visa, B1 and B2. One is primarily for people who own a house etc and want to be in the US for up to 6 months at a time. The other is attained when you are visiting the US on business and allows you to work on behalf of the Company that sent you to the US.
The process for the B visa is very similar to that of the M visa but they are harder to come by these days as people were abusing the system.......shock horror
Engine Noise
It is really simple to get a M2 visa for your wife/significant other......we just add her details onto the form and you take it along with yours to the US Embassy appointment.
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It has been rumoured that the FAA Examiners will soon need to take copied of the visas as well as their ID's when giving check rides.
It is really simple to get a M2 visa for your wife/significant other......we just add her details onto the form and you take it along with yours to the US Embassy appointment.
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Hi
Just a correction on obtaining an M2 visa for spouses and family. Individual I-20s need to be issued for each and every person.
It is relatively simple to do. When the schools administrator is issuing the main I-20, they just need to continue into the dependents section to issue separate dependent I-20s. You will need to give the full names as in the passports and dates of birth.
Don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise, we believed a person we spoke to over the phone at the embassy and my initial application was rejected.
All the forms from the embassy also need to be filled in for all the applicants. BTW, you should still only need to pay one fee to SEVIS for your I-20 issue. Make sure you take the receipt for payment with you to the embassy.
It all goes really smoothly as long as you have every piece of paper you can possibly be asked for. I have been here with my husband and children for 18 months and we love it.
Just a correction on obtaining an M2 visa for spouses and family. Individual I-20s need to be issued for each and every person.
It is relatively simple to do. When the schools administrator is issuing the main I-20, they just need to continue into the dependents section to issue separate dependent I-20s. You will need to give the full names as in the passports and dates of birth.
Don't believe anyone who tells you otherwise, we believed a person we spoke to over the phone at the embassy and my initial application was rejected.
All the forms from the embassy also need to be filled in for all the applicants. BTW, you should still only need to pay one fee to SEVIS for your I-20 issue. Make sure you take the receipt for payment with you to the embassy.
It all goes really smoothly as long as you have every piece of paper you can possibly be asked for. I have been here with my husband and children for 18 months and we love it.
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Outsdie a flight school
How do you get a visa when the instruction (FAA instrument rating) is given unpaid by an indivdual rather than a flight school ?
According to the US embassy I need an M1 visa (rather than my Business visa) as you state and to get that need a flight school and forms I-20 or DS-5019 neither of which seem to be available via the embassy website.
Thanks
According to the US embassy I need an M1 visa (rather than my Business visa) as you state and to get that need a flight school and forms I-20 or DS-5019 neither of which seem to be available via the embassy website.
Thanks
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My M1 visa lasts 12 months with 6 months extendable..If I could go back in time I would never have done the full course in Florida, just a PPL and 100 hours buiding...Everyone I know from our school has had a nightmare adjusting to UK airspace, comms, and especially the weather....whats pitot heat for?? Icing whats that all about???
One guy from our school spent 15 thousand pounds to convert his FAA IR to a JAA IR....
One guy from our school spent 15 thousand pounds to convert his FAA IR to a JAA IR....
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forms I-20 or DS-5019 neither of which seem to be available via the embassy website.
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It has been rumoured that the FAA Examiners will soon need to take copied of the visas as well as their ID's when giving check rides.
ATP does it in 10-15 hours and 4 to 5 days.
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Does it mean a I-20 form must be obtained before applying the M-1 visa? Can all flight school provide the I-20 or only specified flight schools could provide that form?
Thanks very much!
Thanks very much!