how did you get your fatpl?
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how did you get your fatpl?
hey,
i know the routes to a fatpl have been much debated here, but i was just wondering (to those of you who hold one) which route you took?
which school(s)?, modular or integrated?, how long did it take and how much?
i'm just trying to get a better picture to prepare my case to borrow money from dave HSBC :-)
i know the routes to a fatpl have been much debated here, but i was just wondering (to those of you who hold one) which route you took?
which school(s)?, modular or integrated?, how long did it take and how much?
i'm just trying to get a better picture to prepare my case to borrow money from dave HSBC :-)
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PPL at Ormond ( my only cock up in choice)
Hour building with Brittania in Winter Haven and MEP with Naples
Ground school modular with Oxford
CPL/IR and FI with Leeds flying school
Total cost incuding flights board and lodgings etc 35K
And it took 19 months in total.
I managed to stay in work and only had to go full time for the last 3 months while I was at Leeds.
And i did the IR first and the CPL in a MEP.
MJ
Hour building with Brittania in Winter Haven and MEP with Naples
Ground school modular with Oxford
CPL/IR and FI with Leeds flying school
Total cost incuding flights board and lodgings etc 35K
And it took 19 months in total.
I managed to stay in work and only had to go full time for the last 3 months while I was at Leeds.
And i did the IR first and the CPL in a MEP.
MJ
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Distance at oxford.
And they did exactly what they advertised.
The books cover everything you need, and the 2 week brush up sets you up with hot topics in the question banks and plenty of feedback questions.
I found the support pretty good, any questions were dealt with. I am not sure if i should be thanking the instructors for there quick replys or Ms Dove, for her skills at nagging
MJ
And they did exactly what they advertised.
The books cover everything you need, and the 2 week brush up sets you up with hot topics in the question banks and plenty of feedback questions.
I found the support pretty good, any questions were dealt with. I am not sure if i should be thanking the instructors for there quick replys or Ms Dove, for her skills at nagging
MJ
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Degree and Established carreer as design Engineer
PPL at Derby Aero Club
Night Rating at Mercia Flight Training at Coventry
IMC Rating at Derby Aero Club
Hour building in UK, Germany and US
Class 1 Medical at CAA Gatwick
Tech subjects using correspondance course from PPSC
ATPL Nav subjects at ATA Coventry
Multi engine rating at Suncoast Flying Services, Clearwater, Florida
BCPL at OATS
CPL/IR upgrade at OATS
Perf C course correspondance course from PPSC
Perf A at OATS
PPL at Derby Aero Club
Night Rating at Mercia Flight Training at Coventry
IMC Rating at Derby Aero Club
Hour building in UK, Germany and US
Class 1 Medical at CAA Gatwick
Tech subjects using correspondance course from PPSC
ATPL Nav subjects at ATA Coventry
Multi engine rating at Suncoast Flying Services, Clearwater, Florida
BCPL at OATS
CPL/IR upgrade at OATS
Perf C course correspondance course from PPSC
Perf A at OATS
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PPL - Lancashire Aeroclub, Barton
IMC - Welshpool
Night - Lancashire Aeroclub (done at Blackpool)
CAA writtens
Techs - Cabair notes - Bristol Ground School for Brushup
Navs - Bristol notes - again Bristol brushup
Perf A - Good old Alex of BGS at the Gatwick weekend + borrowed oxford notes
Hour Building - Share in a cheap cherokee at Barton
BCPL - Aeros at Gloucster
FI - C&S aviation, halfpenny green (Wolverhampton)
Multi Eng - Air Nova, Chester
IR - Bristol
MCC - 4 Forces
IMC - Welshpool
Night - Lancashire Aeroclub (done at Blackpool)
CAA writtens
Techs - Cabair notes - Bristol Ground School for Brushup
Navs - Bristol notes - again Bristol brushup
Perf A - Good old Alex of BGS at the Gatwick weekend + borrowed oxford notes
Hour Building - Share in a cheap cherokee at Barton
BCPL - Aeros at Gloucster
FI - C&S aviation, halfpenny green (Wolverhampton)
Multi Eng - Air Nova, Chester
IR - Bristol
MCC - 4 Forces
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long hard road
gliding aged 16, ppl aged 21 @ Blackpool, glider tuggy = 500 hours - great fun but no money, all ground school at PPSC distance learning (nightmare) while working, BCPL 1 at Ravenair (dont bother), BCPL 2 @ Leavesden - superb, IR1 @ 2 at AFT Exeter (nightmare again), ATPL exams at Prestwick, Perf C,E @PPSC, Alex Whittingham for perf A - excellent, AFI @ Tayside - VG, FI at Leeds with Stuart Anderson - great, now have a UK ATPL/IR @ 5000 hours and am still a CPL instructor. Total cost? stopped counting 4 years ago when it went past £34000! At least I am at last in the black and can spend money on things like other people do now like holidays, clothes etc! hope to fly a big aeroplane soon.
Why do it if it's not fun?
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Hope I'm allowed to answer. I don't have an fATPL yet, but I'm getting there slowly, and I've got most of it planned out.
PPL: Started flying for fun at West London Aero Club at White Waltham airfield. Took about a year to get PPL, flying once a week.
Post-PPL: Got a tail-dragger check-out, because most of the interesting aeroplane I saw were tail-draggers. Friends told me I should become a commercial pilot, I told them I couldn't afford the time or the money to train. Flew most weekends, just for fun.
Redundancy: After becoming more and more resentful of my current job, I was offered voluntary redundancy. This was the chance I'd been waiting for! I took it, and used my redundancy money and new-found freedom to go to America and do some hour-building.
Hour-building: Based at Chandler Air Service, Chandler Airport, Phoenix AZ. Main aim was to have fun. Secondary aim was to meet all the requirements for the start of the CPL. Managed to log 100 hours in 2 months, including about 70 hours of tail-dragger time, a complex check-out, night qualification, 11 hours of aerobatics and 5 hours of twin time. Flew to Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Tucson, Sedona and Los Angeles amongst other places. Had the time of my life!
Back to work: Unfortunately, I have had to find another IT job to pay the bills while training. Oh yes, and to pay for the training, too. And to buy myself a share in a Europa so I can carry on flying while I'm doing the groundschool. Big disadvantage of this (apart from being in a job I don't enjoy, and not being able to fly as much as I want) is only being able to take a limited amount of time off work for flying training. This will dictate the timescale of most of the remainder of my training.
Ground school: Distance learning with Bristol. Passed Mod 1 first time in August. Mod 2 exams booked for February.
IMC rating: Will do this next year. It's not required, but I won't be able to get time off work to do the IR until the year after next, so I figured I may as well do the IMC first. This will mean I can fly more weekends, since I'll be less restricted by the weather, and should hopefully make the CPL and IR training easier.
CPL: Plan on doing this late next year. Will probably go to Florida or Spain - I can only take 3 weeks off work, and I really need to be reasonably sure that the weather will co-operate, which means that training in the UK probably isn't an option.
IR: Planned for early 2004. Not sure if I'll be able to take enough time off work to do the IR in one go. If not, I'll probably do an FAA IR (much-reduced training requirements if I've already got an IMC) then conver that to a JAA IR (15 hours), which might result in more total time (or might not!), but will require less time off work in one go.
Multi-engine: Late 2004
Multi-crew: Either late 2004 or early 2005, depending whether I've got enough holiday time left in 2004. Or I might do a flight instructors course instead, and leave the multi-crew for a while, depending how the market looks in a couple of years time.
Very interesting to see how this compares to other people!
FFF
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PPL: Started flying for fun at West London Aero Club at White Waltham airfield. Took about a year to get PPL, flying once a week.
Post-PPL: Got a tail-dragger check-out, because most of the interesting aeroplane I saw were tail-draggers. Friends told me I should become a commercial pilot, I told them I couldn't afford the time or the money to train. Flew most weekends, just for fun.
Redundancy: After becoming more and more resentful of my current job, I was offered voluntary redundancy. This was the chance I'd been waiting for! I took it, and used my redundancy money and new-found freedom to go to America and do some hour-building.
Hour-building: Based at Chandler Air Service, Chandler Airport, Phoenix AZ. Main aim was to have fun. Secondary aim was to meet all the requirements for the start of the CPL. Managed to log 100 hours in 2 months, including about 70 hours of tail-dragger time, a complex check-out, night qualification, 11 hours of aerobatics and 5 hours of twin time. Flew to Grand Canyon, Las Vegas, Tucson, Sedona and Los Angeles amongst other places. Had the time of my life!
Back to work: Unfortunately, I have had to find another IT job to pay the bills while training. Oh yes, and to pay for the training, too. And to buy myself a share in a Europa so I can carry on flying while I'm doing the groundschool. Big disadvantage of this (apart from being in a job I don't enjoy, and not being able to fly as much as I want) is only being able to take a limited amount of time off work for flying training. This will dictate the timescale of most of the remainder of my training.
Ground school: Distance learning with Bristol. Passed Mod 1 first time in August. Mod 2 exams booked for February.
IMC rating: Will do this next year. It's not required, but I won't be able to get time off work to do the IR until the year after next, so I figured I may as well do the IMC first. This will mean I can fly more weekends, since I'll be less restricted by the weather, and should hopefully make the CPL and IR training easier.
CPL: Plan on doing this late next year. Will probably go to Florida or Spain - I can only take 3 weeks off work, and I really need to be reasonably sure that the weather will co-operate, which means that training in the UK probably isn't an option.
IR: Planned for early 2004. Not sure if I'll be able to take enough time off work to do the IR in one go. If not, I'll probably do an FAA IR (much-reduced training requirements if I've already got an IMC) then conver that to a JAA IR (15 hours), which might result in more total time (or might not!), but will require less time off work in one go.
Multi-engine: Late 2004
Multi-crew: Either late 2004 or early 2005, depending whether I've got enough holiday time left in 2004. Or I might do a flight instructors course instead, and leave the multi-crew for a while, depending how the market looks in a couple of years time.
Very interesting to see how this compares to other people!
FFF
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PPL/IMC/Night Civilair Biggin Hill
CAA CPL City of London Polly (yes, it was in those days)
BCPL with London Flight center, Headcorn!
Hours built on own a/c
IR started at SFT, finished with independant @ Bournemouth
ATPL at PPSC
IR renewed (lapsed more than 5 years) with PAT
MCC at LGU
CAA CPL City of London Polly (yes, it was in those days)
BCPL with London Flight center, Headcorn!
Hours built on own a/c
IR started at SFT, finished with independant @ Bournemouth
ATPL at PPSC
IR renewed (lapsed more than 5 years) with PAT
MCC at LGU
I say there boy
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Mainly part-time:
PPL at Cabair Cranfield - Jul 1999 - Jan 2000
IMC at Cabair Biggin Hill - Apr - Aug 2000
Hour building plus multi training at Good Hope Flying Club, Cape Town, South Africa - Nov - Dec 2000
Night at Cabair Biggin Hill - Feb - Mar 2001
ATPLs distance learning with Four Forces - Apr 2000 - Apr 2001
CPL, IR and MCC with Multiflight at Leeds full time over three months - June - Oct 2001
FI at Cabair Biggin Hill - nearly finished now, started full-time Oct 2001, stopped due to lack of dosh, resumed part-time Oct-Dec 2002
PPL at Cabair Cranfield - Jul 1999 - Jan 2000
IMC at Cabair Biggin Hill - Apr - Aug 2000
Hour building plus multi training at Good Hope Flying Club, Cape Town, South Africa - Nov - Dec 2000
Night at Cabair Biggin Hill - Feb - Mar 2001
ATPLs distance learning with Four Forces - Apr 2000 - Apr 2001
CPL, IR and MCC with Multiflight at Leeds full time over three months - June - Oct 2001
FI at Cabair Biggin Hill - nearly finished now, started full-time Oct 2001, stopped due to lack of dosh, resumed part-time Oct-Dec 2002
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Finished A-Levels in June 2000
Started Integrated course at OATS in Sept 2000
Finished course early 2002
Had a great time at Oxford. As with every other school it had it's faults, but gave me every bit of help I needed.
Good Luck with everything.
Oh, and I don't have a flying job - surprise surprise!
Started Integrated course at OATS in Sept 2000
Finished course early 2002
Had a great time at Oxford. As with every other school it had it's faults, but gave me every bit of help I needed.
Good Luck with everything.
Oh, and I don't have a flying job - surprise surprise!
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french privat in 1994, cpl IFR multi in the US, CFI/MEI in the US, part 135job in the USA, full ATP in the USA(2001), reconverting in the UK modular course.2003-2004 easy jet or ryanair if hired, if not? :corporates!
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1996 - PPL Florida
1997-1999 - Hour building when on holidays in US
2000 - Moved to west coast of US, FAA IR/CPL/multi/CFI/CFII/MEI
2000 - 2002 Instructor in California
2002 - Feb - FAA ATP
March - August - ATPL distance learning from US
Sept - MCC @ OAT
OCT - 15hr ICAO to JAA IR conversion course @ Tayflite
OCT - CPL conversion @ Tayflite
OCT - FAA ATP & JAR fATPL
OCT - Started drinking
DEC - Starting to sober up enough to write this
All great fun and looking forward to more
1997-1999 - Hour building when on holidays in US
2000 - Moved to west coast of US, FAA IR/CPL/multi/CFI/CFII/MEI
2000 - 2002 Instructor in California
2002 - Feb - FAA ATP
March - August - ATPL distance learning from US
Sept - MCC @ OAT
OCT - 15hr ICAO to JAA IR conversion course @ Tayflite
OCT - CPL conversion @ Tayflite
OCT - FAA ATP & JAR fATPL
OCT - Started drinking
DEC - Starting to sober up enough to write this
All great fun and looking forward to more
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Hi,
Aug 98 - Jan 2000 Frozen ATPL/IR at OATS
Feb 2000 - MCC at Four Forces
April 2000 -Perf A at London Guildhall
Oct 2000 - Feb 2001 ATP Scheme (got onto scheme but had rough time (v long story) and didnt end up with an airline)
Feb 2001-Nov 2001 - Depressed/Unemployed/Odd Jobs
Nov 2001- FI(R) Course at Stapleford.. really enjoyed the course
Now instructing full time at Cranfield, have F/ATPL and 600 hours
Hi,
Aug 98 - Jan 2000 Frozen ATPL/IR at OATS
Feb 2000 - MCC at Four Forces
April 2000 -Perf A at London Guildhall
Oct 2000 - Feb 2001 ATP Scheme (got onto scheme but had rough time (v long story) and didnt end up with an airline)
Feb 2001-Nov 2001 - Depressed/Unemployed/Odd Jobs
Nov 2001- FI(R) Course at Stapleford
Now instructing full time at Cranfield, have F/ATPL and 600 hours
Aug 98 - Jan 2000 Frozen ATPL/IR at OATS
Feb 2000 - MCC at Four Forces
April 2000 -Perf A at London Guildhall
Oct 2000 - Feb 2001 ATP Scheme (got onto scheme but had rough time (v long story) and didnt end up with an airline)
Feb 2001-Nov 2001 - Depressed/Unemployed/Odd Jobs
Nov 2001- FI(R) Course at Stapleford.. really enjoyed the course
Now instructing full time at Cranfield, have F/ATPL and 600 hours
Hi,
Aug 98 - Jan 2000 Frozen ATPL/IR at OATS
Feb 2000 - MCC at Four Forces
April 2000 -Perf A at London Guildhall
Oct 2000 - Feb 2001 ATP Scheme (got onto scheme but had rough time (v long story) and didnt end up with an airline)
Feb 2001-Nov 2001 - Depressed/Unemployed/Odd Jobs
Nov 2001- FI(R) Course at Stapleford
Now instructing full time at Cranfield, have F/ATPL and 600 hours
Why do it if it's not fun?
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Mad_jock, I think it's possible to do a single-engined IR, then convert it to a multi-engine later. If I'm wrong, then someone please tell me, because otherwise my plans might need some minor re-working! I know this method will result in more hours and more cost - but cost (within reason) isn't as much of an issue for me as getting time off work...
FFF
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96-99: bachelor aeronautical engineering
got hooked to flying, 6 hours instruction and 5 solo flights during my studies... no PPL-theory
99-01: first JAA promotion integrated course in France... thanks to financial support of parents... would never become a professional pilot without their help... if I hadn't the money i would never have chosen the loan-option for sure... 'caus you never can tell what will happen in the future.
JAA CPL/IR/ME, JAA fATPL, 200f/h, MCC
Nov. 01-now: unemployed, doing some interim jobs from time to time and looking for a ground job in operations. Doing c172 pleasure flights for family and friends, and help with maintenance in flying club...
got hooked to flying, 6 hours instruction and 5 solo flights during my studies... no PPL-theory
99-01: first JAA promotion integrated course in France... thanks to financial support of parents... would never become a professional pilot without their help... if I hadn't the money i would never have chosen the loan-option for sure... 'caus you never can tell what will happen in the future.
JAA CPL/IR/ME, JAA fATPL, 200f/h, MCC
Nov. 01-now: unemployed, doing some interim jobs from time to time and looking for a ground job in operations. Doing c172 pleasure flights for family and friends, and help with maintenance in flying club...
