easyJet Type Rating Scheme

[Splat]

Easy does it....

Peeps,

First time I applied to them, I got a mail acknowledging my application. 12 months later I put in another one, and heard nothing. Just done so again with the same result.

Anybody else with a similar experience?

S

[Modelmaker]

dunno... but this looks a regular problem stated here, you just send, contact but... nothing. Really frustrating, but i think it all has to do with the post 9/11 feeling: no jobs - too many applicants. Sad major companies don't even reply anymore - even it was a negative response

[Splat]

Yes, agreed where some human intervention is required, but surely an automated 'we have received your application' is not beyond the programming abilities of Easy? They do claim to be technicaly literate after all.

S

[Engee73]

Hi Guys

The automation does say when you press submit that it has received your application.
Unfortunately that is it and is a limitation of the system. If you saw the application accepted pop up window after you submitted then it has been accepted. I think the recruitment team would like to have a better system but given the fact that the IT people hav a lot to do with the current growth/integration etc. its not a high priority.

I have had worse from plenty of other airlines but agree that is not much consulation.

Keep updating at regular intervals (say 6 months) and I'm sure you will be considered when your experience meets with the criteria of the time.

Good luck

NG

[DeltaT]

Easy Newsletter

Just got the latest Easy newsletter.

Don't worry people, even if you have applied to them before, looks like you gotta re-apply for the type rating sponsorship.

Only thing is, just how many of us with 500-1500 hrs have Multi Crew experience with a transport company?
Not many I bet.
Cuts out the Instructors I guess.
Why the %$&* did I bother to do a MCC course.

Filters they all use, just gotta luv'em

[BANGHER]

I've just read my emails and one has cropped up from the easyJet team...

This appears to be promoting a self type scheme including preselection at a cost of £23K, like the cadet scheme this is paid back over 5yrs to the candidate.

There was a thread on Ryanair recruitment some time ago suggesting this will become the norm in the near future, well here it is folks! In fact, the guys at easy have even allowed for SFO entry at a salary of £31,716 plus the £5K pay back on the bond.

If you meet the criteria i.e 500-1500hrs UK or JAR ATPL with MPA experience, considering this is the NG, and you get the money back, it's worth considering.

It would appear, just like our mates at FR, these guys are attacking the need for pilots by appealing to guys they could fast track within 5yrs.

HMMM? Prefer Dublin.

[Maxclimb]

Respect Lost

It must be April fool chaps, when you read this I am sure you will agree it is a dark day, I have agreat job as an F/O but would have gone to easy until I read this, it's time we put a stop to this kind of recruitment I don't know how yet but we need as pilots to put a stop to it.

Hi all

I am sure that you have already heard that we have just launched
a new type rated sponsorship scheme for pilots to join our
company, if you haven't check out this new exciting opportunity
at

http://www.easyjet.com/en/jobs/pilot...hipscheme.html

The good news is that we have just decided on the date for our
1st 737 Type conversion course for this new scheme, which will
take place on 31st March 2003 (with the successful candidates
completing a jet orientation course in March).

Therefore we will assessing candidates for this scheme during 2
assessments on Friday 13th and 20th December 2002 with a
simulator on the following Saturday (21st and 28th December).

Are you interested in the type rated sponsorship scheme?

Do you have between 500 and 1500 hours with a UK or JAR ATPL?

Do you have multi crew experience with an European transport
company?

Are you available for the assessment and simulator dates stated
above?

Can you start a jet orientation course in March 2003?

If you can answer yes to all the above questions then we want to
hear from you. Please email your details to
[email protected] before Friday 6 December 2002.

Please do not contact us if you don't fill the above
requirements as it will slow down the whole process and your
email you will be deleted without us sending a reply (as a low
cost airline we only have minimum resources in order to keep our
costs low!).

If you meet our requirements and you have not been contacted by
the 12 December assume that your application has been
unsuccessful on this occasion.

Thanks for your interest in easyJet and we look forward to
hearing from you soon.

Regards

Laure Van Rensburg
Flight Operations Recruitment Co-ordinator

Fri Nov 29 19:33:48 2002
[ENDS]

[Roadtrip]

Hard to believe anyone with any self-respect would work under those terms as a de facto indentured servant. Those 5 year salary rates are comical.

[Holer Moler]

Sad but Fact - Stelios has gone, Fact. Now watch the rot set in, me thinks that this is just the start of more radical things to come.

Dr White - Private health care rules!

[Agaricus bisporus]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. No one but an irresponsible fool pays for their own type rating.
Fool, because you can't have any idea who will offer you a job, and the likelihood of it being on the type you bought is small. What a **** you'll look with a £15K 737 rating (thats about the going rate) and bet offered a job on an Airbus...
Irresponsible because you are screwing up the market for the rest of the jobseekers out there who aren't rich/daft/selfish enough to bribe an employer to take them.

Type ratings are one of an airline's natural business expenses and by paying this yourself you merely open yet another crack in our shaky foundations that the airlines are consistently chipping away at. Next we'll be PAYING THEM for the priviledge of flying their damn aeroplanes, just because of the selfishness of a few who started the rot. Don't do it!!!

I have seen people with bought type ratings put thru full courses anyway, and then bonded on a type they already had. Bwa ha ha ha!!! Serve them right.

As for a £23K type rating and a bond afterwards, firstly I doubt its true. Even EJ know you can't bond for more than the value of the training, and £15K is accepted as about the norm for a 737. Secondly, no fool takes a 5 yr bond on anything, no such period has ever existed before as far as I know, this is a pisstake. 2 Yrs is the max anyone is ever bonded for.

If you've paid yourself you CANNOT be bonded. That's pretty clear from a legal point of view. In any case it is doubtful if bonds are legal in the UK anyway.

Leave this scam well alone, for God's sake, as welll as for the sake of your fellow pilots.

[Agaricus bisporus]

For God's sake take off your wannabe pink glasses and look at the appalling record of this appalling company personnell wise.

Thank Christ they did not reply to you, now go look for a decent job with a decent company. I hear Kinshasa Airways is recruiting, seriously, this must be vastly preferable to the orange swamp.

Leave well alone.

[blue skies]

Nice that they pay the bond back. 23G over 5 years, close to 5G a year.
Shame they drop the standard salary 5G a year first!
hmmmm +5 -5 = ?

[Waggon rut]

easyjet villains

Can someone please tell me what planet Easyjet are on. Talk about pushing the envelope! Their arrogance is breathtaking at the moment, they are leaving Ryanair for dust. Their "Type Rating Sponsorship Scheme" keeps changing first it was FATPL 500-1500 hours plus "we want to help you get your foot in the door" now they have decided that they want Air transport experience as well!. So £23,000 Bond with a reduced salary for 5 years to pay for it plus locked into them for five years, this is unprecedented in contract terms and most contracts in business would be thrown out of court with more than three years. Anybody having been invited to an interview for this should think about five years first not getting your arse in the right seat of a 737 sorry A319. This will breed resentment with in easyjet at some point, but it looks like they are hell bent on turning themselves into villains of the LCC’s under the banner "TO KEEP OUR COSTS LOW" I wonder what Barbara thinks to all this. I now consider Ryanair to be firm but fare. LONG LIVE RYANAIR.

[foghorn]

This seemed like a fabulous scheme for self-improvers, until they moved the bar higher out of reach of many of us with the magic requirement:

Do you have multi crew experience with an European transport
company?

Now this hasn't been posted to their website yet, but it is there black and white in their e-mail.

Not only does this rule out most instructing self-improvers, but it also rules out many people who have gone overseas to gain experience, and those who have come from outside Europe with multi-crew experience under their belt. So Easyjet's 'generous' scheme becomes significantly less so. Sigh. It seemed too good to be true.

Just how many people are there that fit into this category at the moment? Not too many I would venture - I'd expect that most people currently employed in European airlines have >1,500 hours, plus there can't be too many people with < 1,500 hours + European MPA experience who are currently unemployed?

Hopefully the requirements will be lowered when they don't get the response that they were expecting.

And before anyone starts on the 'do your apprenticeship' tack, I'm well aware of this, but with the airlines that operate turboprops gradually moving to RJ fleets, slimming down due to low-cost Jet operator competition, or being effectively closed to UK folks (KLM springs to mind), the options for serving one's 'apprenticeship' in a Turboprop airline are narrowing all the time.

Just how does a self-improver get on the first rung of the career ladder in the UK?

[Wee Weasley Welshman]

I agree Foghorn.

This MPA requirement spoils the whole thing in my view. If it were a scheme to take people from flying school portakabins all the way to RHS NG Boeing I would and have said its a fair deal...

WWW

[headlesshorseman]

I'd rather have my chalfonts removed

the additional £7000 or so on top of a normal type rating for a 73 appears to be the added value of CTC - the advanced handling course and accom/expenses.

as far as I can see the individual is taking all the risk and paying over the odds for the course and can be ditched by ctc at any point with them taking whatever chunk out of the bond that they fancy. if you fail the first week for example, it will cost you £3,000.

i really hope things change - do you think the firefighters would put up with it?

[isobar]

It says whoever meets the requrements to apply should do so via email. Would that be the first time easyJet accepts a CV and a letter as compared to the dedicated online application form?
Perhaps just another clue that shows how unlikely it will be to find suitable candidates?

Iso

[scroggs]

The £8000 difference between EZ's scheme and the run-of-the mill type rating is easily accounted for by the line training of 20 to 30 sectors - which no third-party type rating will offer. In fact, realistically, this element of the training is probably worth a good deal more than that.

However, I agree that the requirement for multi-crew experience will disqualify the vast majority of hours-building wannabes. I can only assume that EZ are targetting an identified group of people - perhaps ex-SAS F27/F50 pilots? Something like that, I suspect.

As for paid-for type ratings versus bonds, I think some of you are comparing apples and pears here. While you might not like the emergence of EZ's scheme, the fact is that you are repaid the loan that gets you the training. In other words, they do pay for your rating - they just use an unusual way of doing it (which probably has some tax advantage). As the rating is actually paid for by them, they are entitled to bond you.

However, the reduced payscale for previously-experienced pilots is a new departure from the norm, and a worrying development. I have no problem with reduced payscales for ab-initio trainees; that's normal within all organisations, whether aviation or not. I would have had little problem with this scheme if it was aimed at wannabes with a few hours under their belts, but no commercial experience. But to penalise commercially-experienced pilots, and by a considerable amount, is not right.

As I understand it, the direct entry scheme continues for those with relevant jet experience, who will be bonded but won't lose out on pay.

[quixote]

I hear that new hires without B737 endorsement pay Virgin Blue in Australia Aus$20K (UK Pounds 7,200) for their sim endorsement.

Don

[aztruck]

Makes the Astraeus Cadet scheme quite attractive!! If your'e going to blow 23k you should talk to us about a 73 type rating and save yourself 7 grand!!
01293 819817 and ask for Sue Masson.
An unashamed plug!! Oh yes ...and that includes base training and if you want line training there's probably a deal to be done.
I think there are tax advantages to be had, so you might as well have them!!