Frozen ATPL Deadline ?
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SkyGuy,
Your not right old chap. My understanding (and I'll qualify it as that as the goal posts are not set in stone) is that it's actualy better under JAR than before. Your exams WILL be JAR credited, and because of the extra requirement of 500 hours multi crew, the frozen part of your ATPL is valid for SEVEN years. The only catch is that it's seven years from your last IR renewal, so you must have the IR, but in their defence, it's a rolling seven years, ie you get another seven years each time you renew your IR.
xabi200,
The rest of what I overheard is not really relevant to this topic. But, the French attitude to not accepting 'others' JAR issued licences, is really just about their protectionism and union pressures to stop non French from working in France. RVR800 will no doubt chip in with his view on this. Personaly, I think it sucks for JAR and they should not be allowed o get away with it.
An someone said to me, how many non French do you know working in France? Ask the same question over here, and you have two answers as far away from each other as you could get.
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Your not right old chap. My understanding (and I'll qualify it as that as the goal posts are not set in stone) is that it's actualy better under JAR than before. Your exams WILL be JAR credited, and because of the extra requirement of 500 hours multi crew, the frozen part of your ATPL is valid for SEVEN years. The only catch is that it's seven years from your last IR renewal, so you must have the IR, but in their defence, it's a rolling seven years, ie you get another seven years each time you renew your IR.
xabi200,
The rest of what I overheard is not really relevant to this topic. But, the French attitude to not accepting 'others' JAR issued licences, is really just about their protectionism and union pressures to stop non French from working in France. RVR800 will no doubt chip in with his view on this. Personaly, I think it sucks for JAR and they should not be allowed o get away with it.
An someone said to me, how many non French do you know working in France? Ask the same question over here, and you have two answers as far away from each other as you could get.
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My mouth is watering now, come on this is RUMOR NETWORK, give me more.
I will call the DGAC after the 28th of feb. so I need more materials in my fight against them.
I waiting impatiently.
I will call the DGAC after the 28th of feb. so I need more materials in my fight against them.
I waiting impatiently.
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xabi200 . . . .I am not an authority on licence validities within JAR, just relayed what I overheard.
May I suggest that you ask either the CAA directly and the JAR authorities some searching questions regarding the validity of licences within memeber states rather than rely on what I've overheard. Your much more likely to get chapter and verse from them, and you'll be able to quote it too!. Get my drift?
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May I suggest that you ask either the CAA directly and the JAR authorities some searching questions regarding the validity of licences within memeber states rather than rely on what I've overheard. Your much more likely to get chapter and verse from them, and you'll be able to quote it too!. Get my drift?
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hey polarstereographic,
couldn't you find a shorter name????
Anyway,I'm dying to know more.
This is RUMOR network so come on give me more,beside it will give me more grounds when I'll be calling the DGAC next week.. .I've been fighting for nearly one year.I may even go to court with them.
waiting.
couldn't you find a shorter name????
Anyway,I'm dying to know more.
This is RUMOR network so come on give me more,beside it will give me more grounds when I'll be calling the DGAC next week.. .I've been fighting for nearly one year.I may even go to court with them.
waiting.
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Xabi200,
What Polar_S. has overheard is just the tip of a very solid iceberg which you won't be able to dent I'm afraid.
When you start getting your lawyer involved you will be told about the difficuties the French DGAC are encountering with their own legal system.
Whilst it is easy to ammend English Common law by placing ammendments to the ANO, it is far far more difficult to change French Law as French Law based on some Napoleonic code which needs completely rewriting as it does not automatically accept ammendments by precedent. It will take an awful long time for this to happen although things are happening.
In short it is far far easier for English law to convert to European law than it is for France law to convert to European Law. That also goes for the implementation JAR into French Law as well unfortunately.
Perhaps that is why English people are more flexible and adaptable as they live under more flexible rules of law and not stuck in the dark ages.
So if you want to take on the French DGAC feel free I'll be all ears, but you will be taking on the whole French Legal Establishment I'm afraid. Its funny how the French treat their own worse than we do - normally its the english establishments who are the culprits !!!
Ever thought about becoming English? . .- I put that question to a Frenchmen once before, but the tricolour was hoisted and the answer was rather rude. If the question was reversed I would probably answer equally he same.
Napolean had great influence in his time and unfortunately still alive and kicking in the DGAC.
Europe is far from being round the corner I'm afraid !!!
Regards & let's know how far you get.
What Polar_S. has overheard is just the tip of a very solid iceberg which you won't be able to dent I'm afraid.
When you start getting your lawyer involved you will be told about the difficuties the French DGAC are encountering with their own legal system.
Whilst it is easy to ammend English Common law by placing ammendments to the ANO, it is far far more difficult to change French Law as French Law based on some Napoleonic code which needs completely rewriting as it does not automatically accept ammendments by precedent. It will take an awful long time for this to happen although things are happening.
In short it is far far easier for English law to convert to European law than it is for France law to convert to European Law. That also goes for the implementation JAR into French Law as well unfortunately.
Perhaps that is why English people are more flexible and adaptable as they live under more flexible rules of law and not stuck in the dark ages.
So if you want to take on the French DGAC feel free I'll be all ears, but you will be taking on the whole French Legal Establishment I'm afraid. Its funny how the French treat their own worse than we do - normally its the english establishments who are the culprits !!!
Ever thought about becoming English? . .- I put that question to a Frenchmen once before, but the tricolour was hoisted and the answer was rather rude. If the question was reversed I would probably answer equally he same.
Napolean had great influence in his time and unfortunately still alive and kicking in the DGAC.
Europe is far from being round the corner I'm afraid !!!
Regards & let's know how far you get.
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Hey Quarternion,
. .Actually I hold a french passport.. .I think the english passport is better at least to go work in australia.. .Overall I strongly feel that the anglosaxon system is better,I just can't convince the DGAC.... .I tried to get a green card to get an american passport at some point in my life but it did not come through. So so far I'm sticking to my french passport awaiting a Basque passport, I guess I'll never get that one.... .Unfortunatly I don't have enough money to go to court and by thetime the case is judged it'll be retirement time.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Cheers
. .Actually I hold a french passport.. .I think the english passport is better at least to go work in australia.. .Overall I strongly feel that the anglosaxon system is better,I just can't convince the DGAC.... .I tried to get a green card to get an american passport at some point in my life but it did not come through. So so far I'm sticking to my french passport awaiting a Basque passport, I guess I'll never get that one.... .Unfortunatly I don't have enough money to go to court and by thetime the case is judged it'll be retirement time.
I'll let you know how it goes.
Cheers
