Air Atlantique cadet scheme
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Hope this helps...
Scheme runs in 3 stages:
1.Atpl groundschool and flying training.
2.Hours building on survey/patrol or possible RHS public transport.
3.RHS public transport if not already, with promotion to LHS typically in 2 years.
Stage1: Basic allowance whilst training @£300 per month. Not great if stage 1 takes a while but you get free accomodation so its really just a bit of food andbeer money!
Stage2: At present 13K until you have 700 hrs.
Stage3: First officer 26k basic with bonuses etc to go ontop.
Despite what you may hear, atlantic do not deliberately cut cadets to allow only a small number to graduate from the scheme. It is purely down to the individual, if you pass your exams and flight tests you should be ok. Obviously if you go round failing everything then they wont keep throwing money at you for repeated resits etc!!!
At present the main base is Coventry. There are also bases at Manston and Inverness.
It can be hard work on the fug scheme and yes you do work 7 days a week with no time off etc. But if you like flying and all things flying then it shouldnt be a problem to you. If you think of it as HAVING to go to work each day then it is definately not the scheme for you. Its not as if you dont get any rest, obviously at christmas etc there is time off, they are human!
The days are generally interesting with great variation. One day washing an aeroplane or cutting grass, the next you could be jump-seating on a DC6 or Electra around Europe!
The flying is hard but rewarding. If you like classic aircraft and hands on work then theres no better airline to work for. Yes the hours can be at anti-social times but you cant have everything!
Prospects for promotion are generally better than other places. Typically 2 years in the right before the left.
As some of the others have said already the best advice for you now is to go to AFT and speak to Pete. He runs AFT and will tell you what you need to do to apply.
Typically they'd be looking for you to have a PPL with @100 hours and be able to pass the ATPL! Alot of the selection is about personality, if your prepared to get your hands dirty your halfway there!!!
The scheme is as far as I know the ONLY 100% sponsorship scheme in Europe. Nothing is paid for by the cadet during training and there is no payback from salary when finished.
Hope this helps and good luck.
In response to manx whatever your name is maybe most people do want to get a sponsorship to go straight onto big shiney jets but there are also lots of people who want to actually fly...something you dont seem to be able to master judging by your bleating.
Ive been through the fugly scheme and can tell you it was great and I'd do it again without hesitation. You shouldnt make remarks about something you dont know about which could discourage people from applying for what is a great scheme.
Scheme runs in 3 stages:
1.Atpl groundschool and flying training.
2.Hours building on survey/patrol or possible RHS public transport.
3.RHS public transport if not already, with promotion to LHS typically in 2 years.
Stage1: Basic allowance whilst training @£300 per month. Not great if stage 1 takes a while but you get free accomodation so its really just a bit of food andbeer money!
Stage2: At present 13K until you have 700 hrs.
Stage3: First officer 26k basic with bonuses etc to go ontop.
Despite what you may hear, atlantic do not deliberately cut cadets to allow only a small number to graduate from the scheme. It is purely down to the individual, if you pass your exams and flight tests you should be ok. Obviously if you go round failing everything then they wont keep throwing money at you for repeated resits etc!!!
At present the main base is Coventry. There are also bases at Manston and Inverness.
It can be hard work on the fug scheme and yes you do work 7 days a week with no time off etc. But if you like flying and all things flying then it shouldnt be a problem to you. If you think of it as HAVING to go to work each day then it is definately not the scheme for you. Its not as if you dont get any rest, obviously at christmas etc there is time off, they are human!
The days are generally interesting with great variation. One day washing an aeroplane or cutting grass, the next you could be jump-seating on a DC6 or Electra around Europe!
The flying is hard but rewarding. If you like classic aircraft and hands on work then theres no better airline to work for. Yes the hours can be at anti-social times but you cant have everything!
Prospects for promotion are generally better than other places. Typically 2 years in the right before the left.
As some of the others have said already the best advice for you now is to go to AFT and speak to Pete. He runs AFT and will tell you what you need to do to apply.
Typically they'd be looking for you to have a PPL with @100 hours and be able to pass the ATPL! Alot of the selection is about personality, if your prepared to get your hands dirty your halfway there!!!
The scheme is as far as I know the ONLY 100% sponsorship scheme in Europe. Nothing is paid for by the cadet during training and there is no payback from salary when finished.
Hope this helps and good luck.
In response to manx whatever your name is maybe most people do want to get a sponsorship to go straight onto big shiney jets but there are also lots of people who want to actually fly...something you dont seem to be able to master judging by your bleating.
Ive been through the fugly scheme and can tell you it was great and I'd do it again without hesitation. You shouldnt make remarks about something you dont know about which could discourage people from applying for what is a great scheme.
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Aaah, the well-oiled AFT PR machine springs into action again....if you want to know what really goes on, I would suggest speaking to a cadet or pilot rather than trying to elicit opinions from here, as it seems to me that there's a whole lot of axe grinding going on in this thread (i.e. don't trust the opinions of those hiding behind newly-registered pprune user names - '1 posting - Midlands' etc.).
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Nobody has ever said the fugly scheme is easy. If you think flying is hard try digging ditches. You'll do both as a cadet in Atlantique. Its true that failling exams is a good way to get chopped. The solution is obvious, don't fail.
For Dakronic,nickkirk et al cup o tea is accurate. First speak to AFT. If your in the midlands pop in they are quite friendly phone first as you need to get through security). You can then speak to current cadets and get the low down on what is going on and decide if this is what you actully want to do. dependant on time they may be able to show you round the rest of the company. Always good turning up to an interview knowing what each machine is (lawnmower, backhoe loader, wheelbarrow)
There is no point in starting as a fug and giving up after 6 weeks because its hard. All you do is waste money that could have been used on someone else and you make things even harder for the remaining 3 cadets as they still have to do the same amount of jobs with less people.
The majority of fug's are young with no commitments.its hard to support a family on 300 a month for a year and a half. Depending on which fleet you can be stage 2 for 1 - 2 years. It can be a little less and is seldom more than 18 months. most people rent a room of one of the other pilots in this stage ( see why you should have no other commitments)
The scheme is active now with one group of cadets just started. The slight change is that each operating company (Airlines, express, Atlantique, Recon and Highland) can select and manage their own cadet within the fugly system.
any more questions?
For Dakronic,nickkirk et al cup o tea is accurate. First speak to AFT. If your in the midlands pop in they are quite friendly phone first as you need to get through security). You can then speak to current cadets and get the low down on what is going on and decide if this is what you actully want to do. dependant on time they may be able to show you round the rest of the company. Always good turning up to an interview knowing what each machine is (lawnmower, backhoe loader, wheelbarrow)
There is no point in starting as a fug and giving up after 6 weeks because its hard. All you do is waste money that could have been used on someone else and you make things even harder for the remaining 3 cadets as they still have to do the same amount of jobs with less people.
The majority of fug's are young with no commitments.its hard to support a family on 300 a month for a year and a half. Depending on which fleet you can be stage 2 for 1 - 2 years. It can be a little less and is seldom more than 18 months. most people rent a room of one of the other pilots in this stage ( see why you should have no other commitments)
The scheme is active now with one group of cadets just started. The slight change is that each operating company (Airlines, express, Atlantique, Recon and Highland) can select and manage their own cadet within the fugly system.
any more questions?
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Hi,
I have a PPL/IMC with 120 hours TT and am on a distance learning course with BGS for the ATPL's, with my first sitting in Feb.
Would this scheme still be suitable for someone who has already started the ATPL groundschool? Also, at 23, am I too long in the tooth?
Any advice much appreciated.
Best regards,
Matt
I have a PPL/IMC with 120 hours TT and am on a distance learning course with BGS for the ATPL's, with my first sitting in Feb.
Would this scheme still be suitable for someone who has already started the ATPL groundschool? Also, at 23, am I too long in the tooth?
Any advice much appreciated.
Best regards,
Matt
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Lumpy,
The above is the first post as its my first post, as was yours and everyone elses!!! It says Im from the midlands because spookily enough thats where I live! I was a cadet and am now a pilot in atlantic so I think Iam in the position to know what Im talking about.
Aft does not need a PR machine! Any company handing out 100% sponsorship doesnt and shouldnt.
MattDavey,
It doesnt matter if you have already started a groundschool course. Infact on the last 2 intakes there was a cadet on each intake who had already started. If anything you might find it even helps as you will hopefully have half of the exams out the way!
Your age is fine.
Call Aft, you can visit and have a look around the place. Its what I did and just about every other fug I know did.
Good luck.
The above is the first post as its my first post, as was yours and everyone elses!!! It says Im from the midlands because spookily enough thats where I live! I was a cadet and am now a pilot in atlantic so I think Iam in the position to know what Im talking about.
Aft does not need a PR machine! Any company handing out 100% sponsorship doesnt and shouldnt.
MattDavey,
It doesnt matter if you have already started a groundschool course. Infact on the last 2 intakes there was a cadet on each intake who had already started. If anything you might find it even helps as you will hopefully have half of the exams out the way!
Your age is fine.
Call Aft, you can visit and have a look around the place. Its what I did and just about every other fug I know did.
Good luck.
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Good luck to the few (4?) who got on the scheme last time round. I got to the stage where we were 9, but didn't get through the practical flying assessment stage 
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100% sponsorship?
They used to say the BA sponsorship was 100%. I guess it was as you didn't need any money to get onto it. However, they were up front about paying less to cadets during their early years.
The CTC/easy/JMC ones are the same - you don't need any money to join, but they are at pains to point out that you'll earn less than a direct entrant. Seems fair enough and they are being very up front.
Why pretend that the Atlantic sponsorship is any better? Cupotea, you've published the pay rates; £13K for the first year? £26K for year 2? "No payback from salary when finished" "The ONLY 100% sponsorship in Europe"? Give us a break. At least JMC are totally transparent
It sounds like a great scheme, but don't dress it up to be something it isn't. The pay reflects the money put into your training by the company in exactly the same way as the other 100% sponsorships do. They are just more up front about it.
The CTC/easy/JMC ones are the same - you don't need any money to join, but they are at pains to point out that you'll earn less than a direct entrant. Seems fair enough and they are being very up front.
Why pretend that the Atlantic sponsorship is any better? Cupotea, you've published the pay rates; £13K for the first year? £26K for year 2? "No payback from salary when finished" "The ONLY 100% sponsorship in Europe"? Give us a break. At least JMC are totally transparent
It sounds like a great scheme, but don't dress it up to be something it isn't. The pay reflects the money put into your training by the company in exactly the same way as the other 100% sponsorships do. They are just more up front about it.
Way back when I was a lad - 1997 I think, I got to be number 9 on the shortlist of 8 new Fuglies. Fortunately I resisted the temptation to sythe one of them down with the car...
The scheme in my view is unique and had the benefit of often selecting people who BA wouldn't pick at the time. For 99% of people taken on it proved to be a wonderful success and they have not a single regret.
There is little more to say.
The job itself is one of the more unusual airline/flying jobs with a different ratio of work/fun/bugeration factors. For the right people I imagine its the perfect first job.
I quite like the way that the scheme is kept somewhat low profile. I suspect its deliberate to keep away the day dreamers.
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The scheme in my view is unique and had the benefit of often selecting people who BA wouldn't pick at the time. For 99% of people taken on it proved to be a wonderful success and they have not a single regret.
There is little more to say.
The job itself is one of the more unusual airline/flying jobs with a different ratio of work/fun/bugeration factors. For the right people I imagine its the perfect first job.
I quite like the way that the scheme is kept somewhat low profile. I suspect its deliberate to keep away the day dreamers.
WWW
