any info on battlecreek?
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any info on battlecreek?
does anyone know when the jaa training is due to start at battlecreek. If so, how much would it cost. Any info greatly appreciated esp from ex convicts.
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As an previous inmate I can only echo what the (ex) dean says of next spring, although that would probabley be the earliest.
The restructuring has taken hold meaning the college has a reduced number of JAA approved staff. Currently those staff are working on completing the remaining courses or the FAA side. My guess is that when WMU puts its house in order it would be able to start JAA training soon after, however several things need to be put in place. Among those are better market demand, a more stable financial footing and cynically I may add, winning / renewing a contract with a major airline??!!
They could start new JAA courses with relatively little notice, however the question is what they would actually start FOR, given the existing staff are now doing new roles etc.
Any thoughts anyone??
The restructuring has taken hold meaning the college has a reduced number of JAA approved staff. Currently those staff are working on completing the remaining courses or the FAA side. My guess is that when WMU puts its house in order it would be able to start JAA training soon after, however several things need to be put in place. Among those are better market demand, a more stable financial footing and cynically I may add, winning / renewing a contract with a major airline??!!
They could start new JAA courses with relatively little notice, however the question is what they would actually start FOR, given the existing staff are now doing new roles etc.
Any thoughts anyone??
Good News WMU is continuing to offer JAA training with a new course starting in March 2003 also they will be taking part in the Flight Training Exhibition at Heathrow Nov 9th.
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WMU have finished the restructuring. Restructured too much and have cut too many staff. On the ground school side they have been trying to re-hire people they have sacked. On the flight side they even asked one QFI to stay on and work for nothing to get them out of the jam they made for themselves. At present the pilots are overworked.
Groundschool instructors are heavily involved with the university lecture program. JAA courses if any will come second to those. USA students will come first.
Self funders should be very careful as there is a history of putting on courses and then cancelling at the last minute.
Groundschool instructors are heavily involved with the university lecture program. JAA courses if any will come second to those. USA students will come first.
Self funders should be very careful as there is a history of putting on courses and then cancelling at the last minute.
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Don't I know it!
I was looking to start at WMU 6 months ago, just as the smelly stuff hit the fan.
So course after course was cancelled. The worst part about it, was that they didn't even bother sending me an email, or a note with a turd through the window
So I have given up hope and paid less to start at BEA in Jerez in Feb. At least I know that is more likely to happen.
So course after course was cancelled. The worst part about it, was that they didn't even bother sending me an email, or a note with a turd through the window
So I have given up hope and paid less to start at BEA in Jerez in Feb. At least I know that is more likely to happen.
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I have no idea who you are and I really thought I would never post here again after the string of "first posters" here earlier in the year who seemed to have no other motive than to "do down" WMU. Your facts are wrong, quite simply. There has been no attempt whatsoever to rehire laid off instructors (unfortunately!). Try to get a flight instructor to stay on for free? Please - that would be stupid and to believe anyone these days would consider asking someone to do that is displaying low intelligence. Maybe you're just innocently posting in a rumour forum, in which case please stand corrected. Maybe you have an agenda, in which case make your lies believable!
There is lots to be done at WMU after restructuring and since it is a University and not a commercial organisation this is not easy. There is no marketing department and little expertise at the top level in commercial practices - which should be fairly obvious to most people. There are enough people working their butts off to make things happen for good reasons. To say that if and when JAA training resumes that the instructors will put those courses econd and favour USA students is a gross insult. If you are an ex-student then please don't ever come back. If not, then you have no right to such an opinion anyway and just don't ever be in the same room as me!
Finally, and no insult intended, but ex and current students here know Jack sh$t about current and future plans and policies, so please ensure when you post that you make it clear you are posting your OPINION based on what you know and that you may not possess all the facts.
Enough - g'night.
I have no idea who you are and I really thought I would never post here again after the string of "first posters" here earlier in the year who seemed to have no other motive than to "do down" WMU. Your facts are wrong, quite simply. There has been no attempt whatsoever to rehire laid off instructors (unfortunately!). Try to get a flight instructor to stay on for free? Please - that would be stupid and to believe anyone these days would consider asking someone to do that is displaying low intelligence. Maybe you're just innocently posting in a rumour forum, in which case please stand corrected. Maybe you have an agenda, in which case make your lies believable!
There is lots to be done at WMU after restructuring and since it is a University and not a commercial organisation this is not easy. There is no marketing department and little expertise at the top level in commercial practices - which should be fairly obvious to most people. There are enough people working their butts off to make things happen for good reasons. To say that if and when JAA training resumes that the instructors will put those courses econd and favour USA students is a gross insult. If you are an ex-student then please don't ever come back. If not, then you have no right to such an opinion anyway and just don't ever be in the same room as me!
Finally, and no insult intended, but ex and current students here know Jack sh$t about current and future plans and policies, so please ensure when you post that you make it clear you are posting your OPINION based on what you know and that you may not possess all the facts.
Enough - g'night.
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Aren’t we missing the point of this thread? Faa kit asked for info as an innocent Wannabe, specifically canvassing the views of ex-students. Don’t remember him asking for the over-defensive & vitriolic retorts of a disgruntled instructor!
Faa kit - be very, VERY wary. As a recent victim of the way WMU treats its paying guests, I couldn't possibly recommend it. And before I’m jumped upon like Tarbaby - that’s just an opinion. For the facts, email me.
But as Presbycusis says - What do I know?
I’m only the customer.
And the customer knows Jack Sh$t.....
Faa kit - be very, VERY wary. As a recent victim of the way WMU treats its paying guests, I couldn't possibly recommend it. And before I’m jumped upon like Tarbaby - that’s just an opinion. For the facts, email me.
But as Presbycusis says - What do I know?
I’m only the customer.
And the customer knows Jack Sh$t.....
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Well with hopeful, current and ex students all saying they get told
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Shouldn't a few alarm bells ring?
Oh I forgot you couldn't give COLOR=red]TWO SH$TS[/COLOR]
I hope you didn't speak to BA in that way (Sorry, You probably didn't speak at all to be correct!)
A very understanding airline in my eyes!
No harm intended for the training side of things! Just a the Admin
"JACK SH$T
Shouldn't a few alarm bells ring?
Oh I forgot you couldn't give COLOR=red]TWO SH$TS[/COLOR]
I hope you didn't speak to BA in that way (Sorry, You probably didn't speak at all to be correct!)
A very understanding airline in my eyes!No harm intended for the training side of things! Just a the Admin
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My only contact with WMU has been a number of years ago, when they first offered a 509 course (the old integrated course under the CAA). As soon as a few airlines joined up for sponsorship courses, they wrote back saying they were unable to take any self-sponsored students. They followed this policy up until BA cancelled their contract.
Why would you do this course over a OATS or BAe - its the same price, unless you had the delight of flying over the pond, or had a particular desire to fly in the US.
Why would you do this course over a OATS or BAe - its the same price, unless you had the delight of flying over the pond, or had a particular desire to fly in the US.
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Article was by David Learmount & looked at the prospects for the flight training schools. Gist of it was:
BAe @ Jerez & Aus were quite upbeat saying their market is "booming".
OATS were more pessimistic, noting that sponsorships are a dying breed and so is the appeal of flying as a career.
Much interest in the innovative but as yet unproven CTC McAlpine scheme, and a little about CCAT whose business has been steady but is now tailing off.
WMU described how they are dealing with the complicated security vetting requirements for US training, especially for anyone wanting a type rating in their 737-400 sim (which, incidentally, is not a type rating sim). They omitted to mention the high cost of the vetting process. Their 4 year FAA aviation degree program is apparently completely full, whereas the JAA ATPL course gets a passing mention to say that they have no students at present though they "expect to offer courses early next year".
Doesn't fill one with confidence, though as a highly dissatisfied WMU customer my impartiality is possibly somewhat suspect.....
Hope this helps.
BAe @ Jerez & Aus were quite upbeat saying their market is "booming".
OATS were more pessimistic, noting that sponsorships are a dying breed and so is the appeal of flying as a career.
Much interest in the innovative but as yet unproven CTC McAlpine scheme, and a little about CCAT whose business has been steady but is now tailing off.
WMU described how they are dealing with the complicated security vetting requirements for US training, especially for anyone wanting a type rating in their 737-400 sim (which, incidentally, is not a type rating sim). They omitted to mention the high cost of the vetting process. Their 4 year FAA aviation degree program is apparently completely full, whereas the JAA ATPL course gets a passing mention to say that they have no students at present though they "expect to offer courses early next year".
Doesn't fill one with confidence, though as a highly dissatisfied WMU customer my impartiality is possibly somewhat suspect.....
Hope this helps.