You Do Not Need A Visa
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You Do Not Need A Visa
If you are going to the USA to get a JAA licence you do not need to get a VISA as the INS regard all flying that does not result in the award of an FAA licence as "recriational" I know of someone who went to Florida without a visa and explained to the Immigration officer that it was for JAA trainning and they checked it out and he was allowed in!
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There is alot of truth in what you say. Although your spelling is appalling!!!
Just because one person manages it doesn't mean all immigration officers at airports will be so understanding.
Make sure you fully research the subject before shelling out on your airfare as you could find yourself on the same plane home and banned from entering the US for a while.
Before anyone asks I don't work for IntlFlight, I'm an ATPL stude looking at Florida training options!
So there!
Edited to remove link to IFTA who have not paid for their advertising on PPRuNe
Just because one person manages it doesn't mean all immigration officers at airports will be so understanding.
Make sure you fully research the subject before shelling out on your airfare as you could find yourself on the same plane home and banned from entering the US for a while.
Before anyone asks I don't work for IntlFlight, I'm an ATPL stude looking at Florida training options!
So there!
Edited to remove link to IFTA who have not paid for their advertising on PPRuNe
Last edited by Danny; 28th Sep 2002 at 17:51.
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Gentlemen,
I an only telling you what the Law says and to help you comply with it, so your visit to the U.S.A. is uncomplicated, legal, and fun. I cannot however force you to enter the country legally.
I do want to leave you with a thought.
The U.S.A. was attacked from Aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001.
The U.S.A. and the world was wounded on that day. The Government is going to stop that threat from ever happening again. Part of that threat was the terrorists were trained to fly in the U.S.A.
The Government has set up a program. If you want to convert your Foreign Licence into an F.A.A. Restricted Licence Based on your Foreign you will go though a background check before you get issued one and can fly in the U.S.A.
If you are going to receive training for flying you will be on an F-1, M-1, J-1 Visa, therefore you go though a background check.
If you are going to train on an aircraft or a simulator which simulates an aircraft over 12,500Lbs., you will go thought additional background checks. Unless you work for an airline or have a good reason for that training, at the moment, you will not be granted permission.
Now I look at your train of thought.
Ok I am not going to train for an F.A.A. Licence, I just want to get a J.A.A. Licence. Since I am not doing an F.A.A. Licence I am going to be able to Waltz into the U.S.A. Train all I want, get my J.A.A. CPL, and then go training on a Boeing in the U.S.A., since I am not doing any F.A.A. training, and the Government is going to say, "oh its not F.A.A. training so you go do anything you want."
With the way I explaned the Immigration system, it will stop terrorists from training in the U.S.A.; the way you explain it, there is a huge gaping hole for any future terrorist to train in the U.S.A. Do you really think the Law Makers of the U.S.A. are that stupid to leave such a huge hole in this Nation's Security?
Do not take my word on any of this. Call the U.S. Embassy in your country and find out for yourself exactly what you are required to do.
Be Safe and Legal,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
I an only telling you what the Law says and to help you comply with it, so your visit to the U.S.A. is uncomplicated, legal, and fun. I cannot however force you to enter the country legally.
I do want to leave you with a thought.
The U.S.A. was attacked from Aircraft on Sept. 11, 2001.
The U.S.A. and the world was wounded on that day. The Government is going to stop that threat from ever happening again. Part of that threat was the terrorists were trained to fly in the U.S.A.
The Government has set up a program. If you want to convert your Foreign Licence into an F.A.A. Restricted Licence Based on your Foreign you will go though a background check before you get issued one and can fly in the U.S.A.
If you are going to receive training for flying you will be on an F-1, M-1, J-1 Visa, therefore you go though a background check.
If you are going to train on an aircraft or a simulator which simulates an aircraft over 12,500Lbs., you will go thought additional background checks. Unless you work for an airline or have a good reason for that training, at the moment, you will not be granted permission.
Now I look at your train of thought.
Ok I am not going to train for an F.A.A. Licence, I just want to get a J.A.A. Licence. Since I am not doing an F.A.A. Licence I am going to be able to Waltz into the U.S.A. Train all I want, get my J.A.A. CPL, and then go training on a Boeing in the U.S.A., since I am not doing any F.A.A. training, and the Government is going to say, "oh its not F.A.A. training so you go do anything you want."
With the way I explaned the Immigration system, it will stop terrorists from training in the U.S.A.; the way you explain it, there is a huge gaping hole for any future terrorist to train in the U.S.A. Do you really think the Law Makers of the U.S.A. are that stupid to leave such a huge hole in this Nation's Security?
Do not take my word on any of this. Call the U.S. Embassy in your country and find out for yourself exactly what you are required to do.
Be Safe and Legal,
Capt. Richard J. Gentil, Pres.
Naples Air Center, Inc.
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You can abuse the system in any way you wany however the law that I just read up on does not state FAA training only ! If it did state FAA training I would tend to agree with you however it does not. Therefore as with many laws the spectrum is a wide one and encompasses training of all varieties.
I would suggest that you get what you have stated in writing from the Embassy before you encourage fellow pilots to go without a visa. It may come back to haunt you..........
I would suggest that you get what you have stated in writing from the Embassy before you encourage fellow pilots to go without a visa. It may come back to haunt you..........
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SOooooo you`re saying you`ll enter the US on a tourist visa and do you JAA stuff and then go home huh?Well, a tourist visa is only valid for 30 days, and you have to travel abroad and back to "renew" it.And how long does the JAA stuff take?
Don`t try any shortcuts, they`ll only come back to haunt you!I think you`d be far better off going through a background check than being blacklisted on immigration charges anyday.How`s that gonna look at an interview?"Gee, Sir, I can`t enter the US because I screwed up earlier."
I know there`s a lot more to it than this, but use some common sense!
Don`t try any shortcuts, they`ll only come back to haunt you!I think you`d be far better off going through a background check than being blacklisted on immigration charges anyday.How`s that gonna look at an interview?"Gee, Sir, I can`t enter the US because I screwed up earlier."
I know there`s a lot more to it than this, but use some common sense!
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Under the visa waiver scheme , you may remain in the U.S. for up to 90 days - so potentially long enough to complete at least a module .
However , be advised that by being refused entry to the U.S. you are jeopardising the unrestricted status of your passport which means that (i) you will be closely scrutinised on any future visits to the U.S. , & (ii) you may fall foul of the unrestricted passport requirement for employment with the majority of airlines . This is not idle speculation but based on experience with the INS & U.S. consulate . It simply is not worth the risk .
Remember , the integrity of all FTO's is not assured , & their interpretation of immigration regulations is not neccessarily correct . It would be interesting to know if OAT students carry a visa as they are conducting JAA training in Texas - surely a school sending significant numbers of people to the U.S. regularly would understand the rules ?
However , be advised that by being refused entry to the U.S. you are jeopardising the unrestricted status of your passport which means that (i) you will be closely scrutinised on any future visits to the U.S. , & (ii) you may fall foul of the unrestricted passport requirement for employment with the majority of airlines . This is not idle speculation but based on experience with the INS & U.S. consulate . It simply is not worth the risk .
Remember , the integrity of all FTO's is not assured , & their interpretation of immigration regulations is not neccessarily correct . It would be interesting to know if OAT students carry a visa as they are conducting JAA training in Texas - surely a school sending significant numbers of people to the U.S. regularly would understand the rules ?
