Britannia (Episode 2)
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Hello again all,
Spoke to a senior F/O in the BHX met room yesterday........he says that Britannia are very short of efos at Brum.
Good sign I'd say
Cheers All
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!
Spoke to a senior F/O in the BHX met room yesterday........he says that Britannia are very short of efos at Brum.
Good sign I'd say
Cheers All
COME ON ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!!
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We are short of pilots at present but I,m assured no courses are planned at present,releasing trainers from the line to run courses would further aggravate any shortage on the line.Any recruitment even of already selected people would involve training in the summer season which is difficult to achieve.I,m told courses might run late in the year bearing in mind that next years Hadj if we do it is just after the Xmas period so that will apparently limit training capacity in that period.But eventually we must employ more pilots but I wouldn,t hold your breath for this summer.i hope for you guys I,m proved wrong don,t think I will be though.
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I believe this rumour about early summer courses may have originated with a small number of external 75/76 conversion courses being booked with an external training organisation for a small number of returning pilots and certain "industrial deals" involving type ratings group wide!!.So my sources tell me.Don,t hold your breath,but of course patience is a virtue,I waited 6 years for my first airline job rest assured guys it will happen eventually.
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Here's the latest from the inside guys!
Course(s) are planned for October, but approval to go ahead wont come until June, which should give time for 3 months notice.
Nothing concrete, I know, but if the go ahead is given, thats just a few weeks wait for the news!!
Course(s) are planned for October, but approval to go ahead wont come until June, which should give time for 3 months notice.
Nothing concrete, I know, but if the go ahead is given, thats just a few weeks wait for the news!!
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Thanks for that HC, always great to log in to some positive news.
MAX, AMEX and anyone else in the hold pool, sincerely hoping to meet you guys soon. Have a good Summer in the hope that things start moving come its end.
Cheers,
starship
MAX, AMEX and anyone else in the hold pool, sincerely hoping to meet you guys soon. Have a good Summer in the hope that things start moving come its end.
Cheers,
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DEJA-VU? Its shame I quit my great beach-bum job, this summer is going to be a looong one. I'd prefer not to have 3 months notice, the kick in the teeth is easier to stomach otherwise.
Mucho cerveza por favor.
MAX
Mucho cerveza por favor.
MAX
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Out of interest how many of you in the what you like to call in the "hold pool" are currently working for us in the cabin.I had the pleasure of one of your number flying with me out of LGW yesterday as supernumary cabin crew under training,are there any more ??.Out of interest we now have at least 3 frozen ATPLs flying as cabin crew out of LGW alone I believe other bases may have others.We,re trying to arrange low cost IR renewals on the company light aircraft for those at LGW but sorry you have to be a current BY employee.Anymore out there??.
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On a related note i was cabin crew for a major airline in the uk for some 9 years and considered appling for Brits following are the set back last year.
I decided that although it would help to be in the company and more in touch it was more important to remain as current as possible. As such i´m back in instructing. Hope this was the right choice.
I decided that although it would help to be in the company and more in touch it was more important to remain as current as possible. As such i´m back in instructing. Hope this was the right choice.
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Same as BlueBaron
After I got selected by BY but went on hold, I worked at Check in and as cabin crew for two different airlines thinking that it might help to get in. Well it didn't but my IR and Medical (not to mention proficiency) lapsed, my logbook remained pretty much unchanged, unlike me, as I was getting older day by day. So as soon as I got the opportunity to work as a pilot, I went for it, despite taking a job with no career prospects beyond the offered position.
Still, the flying was great, I gained a Rating, a current medical and IR (free), plus a few more hours in the book. I always joked about it but each flight (Single pilot IFR) was like riding a free full flight sim... Excellent for interview preparations.
Like anyone in my situation, after I received the letter late September, I considered going for a quick fix solution and grab a job on the ground or something like that. After I thought about iy a bit more, I decided against it. I had done it once, now it was time to stick with the flying until it paid off. 2 months lateragainst all expectations, I secured a job
in a different part of the world, flying a twin turbo-prop.
I guess I had made the right choice then....
Britannia will happen, it's just a matter of time. Time I will make sure will be spent flying at the controls.
About working as a cabin crew, probably one of the best time I ever had whilst working.
After I got selected by BY but went on hold, I worked at Check in and as cabin crew for two different airlines thinking that it might help to get in. Well it didn't but my IR and Medical (not to mention proficiency) lapsed, my logbook remained pretty much unchanged, unlike me, as I was getting older day by day. So as soon as I got the opportunity to work as a pilot, I went for it, despite taking a job with no career prospects beyond the offered position.
Still, the flying was great, I gained a Rating, a current medical and IR (free), plus a few more hours in the book. I always joked about it but each flight (Single pilot IFR) was like riding a free full flight sim... Excellent for interview preparations.
Like anyone in my situation, after I received the letter late September, I considered going for a quick fix solution and grab a job on the ground or something like that. After I thought about iy a bit more, I decided against it. I had done it once, now it was time to stick with the flying until it paid off. 2 months lateragainst all expectations, I secured a job
in a different part of the world, flying a twin turbo-prop.I guess I had made the right choice then....
Britannia will happen, it's just a matter of time. Time I will make sure will be spent flying at the controls.
About working as a cabin crew,
probably one of the best time I ever had whilst working.
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I was cabin crew before being recruited by Britannia for another charter airline on the B757. After our setback last year, I have since returned to the job, however for a scheduled airline this time.
I have managed to stay flying, and due to the large amount of positioning on our rosters at the minute jumpseat all of the time. If this time is used well it can be good revision, and the flightdeck with whom I operate are very supportive of my career. Several of them are ex cabin crew themselves.
For me, I would say the same as AMEX. Through working for two airlines as Cabin Crew, and in the past 2 Handling Agents as an Aircraft Despatcher I have had a time I will always be glad I had, and would not have wanted to miss.
IR renewal , ME class rating and SE dual check all this week.....fingers are firmly crossed that the powers to be will approve courses in Brit in the not too distant future.
Good Luck to all others involved, thanks for the info Stampe...good to have some line pilots involved in this thread too.
Cheers,
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I have managed to stay flying, and due to the large amount of positioning on our rosters at the minute jumpseat all of the time. If this time is used well it can be good revision, and the flightdeck with whom I operate are very supportive of my career. Several of them are ex cabin crew themselves.
For me, I would say the same as AMEX. Through working for two airlines as Cabin Crew, and in the past 2 Handling Agents as an Aircraft Despatcher I have had a time I will always be glad I had, and would not have wanted to miss.
IR renewal , ME class rating and SE dual check all this week.....fingers are firmly crossed that the powers to be will approve courses in Brit in the not too distant future.
Good Luck to all others involved, thanks for the info Stampe...good to have some line pilots involved in this thread too.
Cheers,
starship
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Hi Gang.
In support of the Hooded claw, my recent scurryings about the place has uncovered the same info, the June reference would appear to be the go/no go decsion for courses pencilled for Oct/Nov. As things for this summer appear to be at this stage, very tight crew wise,( some bases have twice the number of captains to F/O's) I am sure that recruitment will start again.
Also if there are any in the pool who are flying as cabin crew in the midlands for Brit, as per Stampe's post, let us know.
regards
Chin.
In support of the Hooded claw, my recent scurryings about the place has uncovered the same info, the June reference would appear to be the go/no go decsion for courses pencilled for Oct/Nov. As things for this summer appear to be at this stage, very tight crew wise,( some bases have twice the number of captains to F/O's) I am sure that recruitment will start again.
Also if there are any in the pool who are flying as cabin crew in the midlands for Brit, as per Stampe's post, let us know.
regards
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I thought I might comment on this cabin crew thing. If Britannia are offering a position in the company, initially as cabin crew but with the prospect of being a pilot at some point in the future then it would be very foolish to turn this down. I realise that most of the discussion until now has been about taking a job as cabin crew with another airline which I agree will do you no good at all, but if Brits are offering the people who went through the pilot selection process temporary positions in the cabin then you really must go for it. Britannia have done this in the past and those who took them up on the offer got higher seniority than those who elected to wait until a pilot course came up. And they didn't have to wait long either. The most important thing is to get into the company asap and get onto that seniority list. In this kind of situation recency is meaningless as the type rating course will automatically renew everything anyway.
It is looking increasingly likely that there will be course(s) in the autumn, and I would personally be shocked if there weren't any because of the number of retirements we have and we are getting too low on numbers as it is. There will be no summer courses simply because they cannot spare the training captains it is as simple as that. But if Britannia are offering the opportunity to work the cabin in the summer with the possibility of a course in the autumn you would be mad to say no unless you are already flying a jet somewhere else. If you are instructing I would leave it and work the cabin. You will gain a lot of hours once you are on the line with Britannia, believe me.
Lazlo
It is looking increasingly likely that there will be course(s) in the autumn, and I would personally be shocked if there weren't any because of the number of retirements we have and we are getting too low on numbers as it is. There will be no summer courses simply because they cannot spare the training captains it is as simple as that. But if Britannia are offering the opportunity to work the cabin in the summer with the possibility of a course in the autumn you would be mad to say no unless you are already flying a jet somewhere else. If you are instructing I would leave it and work the cabin. You will gain a lot of hours once you are on the line with Britannia, believe me.
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Britannia havent actually offered anything to us. HR have let it be known that we may apply, along with everyone else, for cabin crew or operations etc. Personally I dont think I would make very good cabin crew but a position in Ops would be more my scene as I have previous experience.
As much as I want to get my foot in the company, these positions wouldnt put food on the table after the bank manager sucked it all up after pay day (unfortunately). The added relocation would also kill me, it killed me last time after Brits told me there was no job. So regretabley Ill stay where I am and see what happens. If guys/gals working the cabin get a start before me well done to them.
MAX
As much as I want to get my foot in the company, these positions wouldnt put food on the table after the bank manager sucked it all up after pay day (unfortunately). The added relocation would also kill me, it killed me last time after Brits told me there was no job. So regretabley Ill stay where I am and see what happens. If guys/gals working the cabin get a start before me well done to them.
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Having followed this thread since it first started, I was just wondering if any of the guys originally selected for courses in November have been told, for definite, that they are in a 'holding pool', or is this a self-imposed term? The latest that I have heard is that no decision has been made as to the status of those originally selected. Is there any insight from those of you already with the company?
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Sorry guys, I know we would all like to hear some good news or just news but is there a point in refreshing the thread every week if there is nothing to say ?
Not directly related to BY but perhaps a sign of things to come this is what a friend of mine working for JMC has told me.
He was at the office and wondered why two Captains were rostered on the same flight. Crewing's response was that did didn't have enough F/Os available.
Doh ! What about the 16 who are on loan to Air 2000 (starting an imposed 2 weeks of as from today and joining Air2K on the 17/05) then ?
As I said no real news as far as the thread is concerned....
Not directly related to BY but perhaps a sign of things to come this is what a friend of mine working for JMC has told me.
He was at the office and wondered why two Captains were rostered on the same flight. Crewing's response was that did didn't have enough F/Os available.
Doh ! What about the 16 who are on loan to Air 2000 (starting an imposed 2 weeks of as from today and joining Air2K on the 17/05) then ?
As I said no real news as far as the thread is concerned....
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I don't see how refreshing this over and over will speed up Britannia, the danger is Britannia could just read all the posted stuff and decied to delete the data base and start all over again.
I'm not trying to wind you up, just they might not like being talked about on the internet.
Good luck.
I'm not trying to wind you up, just they might not like being talked about on the internet.
Good luck.
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touch&go
Your opinion and comments, as everyones are read and digested......however I fail to see at which postings your point is aimed.
This thread, has infact been positive in many ways as was the old one, and has enabled those waiting to see what develops with Britannia to make contact and share ideas. Unlike many threads, this thread has been about remaining positive, that the job which many had put alot into getting, may sometime soon come back.
In addition, it has shared ideas about what those recruited are doing to remain current, earn some money and keep the spirit going during this period of downturn.
Several employees of Britannia have contributed to our thread, without hesitation offering advice and pieces of information which could possibly be encouraging. Thanks to those guys/girls. I would hope that if there was a problem (which I doubt) then it would be stated, and the thread discontinued.....why the need for such a drastic suggestion!
cheers,
starship
This thread, has infact been positive in many ways as was the old one, and has enabled those waiting to see what develops with Britannia to make contact and share ideas. Unlike many threads, this thread has been about remaining positive, that the job which many had put alot into getting, may sometime soon come back.
In addition, it has shared ideas about what those recruited are doing to remain current, earn some money and keep the spirit going during this period of downturn.
Several employees of Britannia have contributed to our thread, without hesitation offering advice and pieces of information which could possibly be encouraging. Thanks to those guys/girls. I would hope that if there was a problem (which I doubt) then it would be stated, and the thread discontinued.....why the need for such a drastic suggestion!
cheers,
starship