How are people getting modular so cheap!??
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I forgot to include CPL + the UPRT.
Modular Plan:
PPL flying club: £8550 + £270 exam fees (assume 50 hours instead of 45 minimum, and it doesnt say the examiner fee, although I doubt it would fluctuate the overall price too much)
Ground School: £6066 (must be in person learning, I cannot do distance learning)
Night rating: £1026 (again, no idea of examiner fee, but above)
Hour building: £10,000 converted from USD for 100 hours. (rate is $117/hour for C152)
CPL, MEIR: £28,858 + £30 per night * 91 = £31,588
UPRT- £1695 + £30 per night x 3 nights = £1785
APS-MCC £6000 (probably with Skyborne)
Total: £65,285
the other headset and class 1 medical isn't included for budget. I'm looking at a UK-CAA license, so Ryanair is off the table, unless you recommend getting dual licensing?
I don't worry too much about fees to CAA, just the main part of the courses.
How are people getting sub 50k still? It's the CPL/IR part that's tripping me up, I can't find a cheaper course which offers CPL and MEIR.
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated
Modular Plan:
PPL flying club: £8550 + £270 exam fees (assume 50 hours instead of 45 minimum, and it doesnt say the examiner fee, although I doubt it would fluctuate the overall price too much)
Ground School: £6066 (must be in person learning, I cannot do distance learning)
Night rating: £1026 (again, no idea of examiner fee, but above)
Hour building: £10,000 converted from USD for 100 hours. (rate is $117/hour for C152)
CPL, MEIR: £28,858 + £30 per night * 91 = £31,588
UPRT- £1695 + £30 per night x 3 nights = £1785
APS-MCC £6000 (probably with Skyborne)
Total: £65,285
the other headset and class 1 medical isn't included for budget. I'm looking at a UK-CAA license, so Ryanair is off the table, unless you recommend getting dual licensing?
I don't worry too much about fees to CAA, just the main part of the courses.
How are people getting sub 50k still? It's the CPL/IR part that's tripping me up, I can't find a cheaper course which offers CPL and MEIR.
Thanks for the advice, much appreciated
* IR(R) - £4000 (must be with Instructor who has rating to teach IR)
* Build Hours in IFR with a friend to look out for safety (Lots of ILS, RNP, VOR, NDB approaches)
* CBIR - because you will have lots of IFR hours, you can get SE-IR with 10 hours of training flights!
* MEP - 5 hours to complete the course (without Skill Test as ME-IR course requires only MEP course completion and NOT a skill test)
* ME-IR upgrade from SE-IR
* CPL
* APS MCC and UPRT
This should save you further £8-10K on your training fees as well as you become a very competent pilot in IFR flights.
PS. If you find an ATO with dual certification UK and EASA, you can get dual licence. (IR skill test must be taken in EU area) Albeit, you need to pass double ATPL Exams.
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I managed my modular pathway for about £73,000 in close to minimum hours. Did an IR(R) for £2500, saved me 10hrs @ £650 later, so gave me a £4000 saving there. The IR(R) was 15 additional P2 hours but worth it for the saving later. My hour building was on a C152 at £140/hr and £80/year membership in Midlands, not many other places cheaper than that - I chose to avoid share ownership as too high risk for my taste. I managed a £1500 discount on ATPL with Bristol through a scholarship, no resits thankfully. I lost £2500 on 2 x partial passes, aircraft hire and examiner fees. I could have done my CPL ME IR perhaps £7000 cheaper at a smaller school with older equipment. All in, if I had made some other (but not necessarily better) choices I think I could have done it for about £63,000. Never factored in fuel costs, but that was because I factored that in as part of my regular monthly budgeting. Accommodation for exams, 1 x pre-COVID ATPL revision week (later moved online) and MCC didn't come in more than £1000 - all budget options.
Shout out to CRM Aviation at White Waltham - great price (cheapest APS MCC out there I believe), small groups, nice location, VERY experienced instructors (mostly BA and Virgin captains). Best part of my training by a long sea mile.
Shout out to CRM Aviation at White Waltham - great price (cheapest APS MCC out there I believe), small groups, nice location, VERY experienced instructors (mostly BA and Virgin captains). Best part of my training by a long sea mile.
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When I first started looking at pilot training, and realising that the modular pathway was the only option for me, I was told by my instructors that an airline jet job would surely be out of the question. They said I might be lucky and find turboprop charter or survey work if I had contacts, or I could always go to Susi Air to build my hours. All this before even having the chance of a sniff at an airline job. Glad I gave it a go anyway despite their grim forecast, the reality is certainly very different to what they proposed 10 years ago.
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I would suggest you to follow a slightly different route starting after night rating:
* IR(R) - £4000 (must be with Instructor who has rating to teach IR)
* Build Hours in IFR with a friend to look out for safety (Lots of ILS, RNP, VOR, NDB approaches)
* CBIR - because you will have lots of IFR hours, you can get SE-IR with 10 hours of training flights!
* MEP - 5 hours to complete the course (without Skill Test as ME-IR course requires only MEP course completion and NOT a skill test)
* ME-IR upgrade from SE-IR
* CPL
* APS MCC and UPRT
This should save you further £8-10K on your training fees as well as you become a very competent pilot in IFR flights.
PS. If you find an ATO with dual certification UK and EASA, you can get dual licence. (IR skill test must be taken in EU area) Albeit, you need to pass double ATPL Exams.
* IR(R) - £4000 (must be with Instructor who has rating to teach IR)
* Build Hours in IFR with a friend to look out for safety (Lots of ILS, RNP, VOR, NDB approaches)
* CBIR - because you will have lots of IFR hours, you can get SE-IR with 10 hours of training flights!
* MEP - 5 hours to complete the course (without Skill Test as ME-IR course requires only MEP course completion and NOT a skill test)
* ME-IR upgrade from SE-IR
* CPL
* APS MCC and UPRT
This should save you further £8-10K on your training fees as well as you become a very competent pilot in IFR flights.
PS. If you find an ATO with dual certification UK and EASA, you can get dual licence. (IR skill test must be taken in EU area) Albeit, you need to pass double ATPL Exams.
Good question. I was initial going to say no, then I read the text. The only requirement for the '50-hour' CBIR route is that you have 50 hours as PIC under IFR in 'an aeroplane'. So technically you could get a CBIR then do a 5 hour MEIR course at a dual ATO. A MEIR test with a dual rated examiner could potentially count as both the upgrade for one authority and an initial (50-hour)CBIR for the other.
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Good question. I was initial going to say no, then I read the text. The only requirement for the '50-hour' CBIR route is that you have 50 hours as PIC under IFR in 'an aeroplane'. So technically you could get a CBIR then do a 5 hour MEIR course at a dual ATO. A MEIR test with a dual rated examiner could potentially count as both the upgrade for one authority and an initial (50-hour)CBIR for the other.
