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Old 19th Oct 2023, 21:44
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It's all in CAR 421. You'll know it when you see it, trust me.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
rudestuff,

I've got a question about the proposed use of AC 61-135A to get motp a Canadian ATP. This is just for my education. I read through the AC and didn't see an answer.

Here's what I understand:

motp holds an EASA ATP with a B737 type rating.

He also holds an FAA ATP but NO B737 type rating.

So,

If he applies for the Canadian ATP under the provisions of AC 61-135A using his FAA ATP (without the B737 type rating), how would his EASA B737 type rating get put on the Canadian license when it doesn't exist on his FAA license ? The answer might be in the AC but I didn't see it addressed. Thanks.
Bafanguy:

Your assumption is 100% correct, that would be my case, and since I want to fly a "N" registered 737 (not belonging to any airline) I need the TR on the FAA license.

Thanks again to you and rudestuff for the feedbacks.

Regards from Spain.
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Old 20th Oct 2023, 21:34
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Motp,

rudestuff has offered an interesting route to getting the B737 rating put on your FAA ATP. It appears to require time and a bit of back and forth with a bunch of government offices. I assume dealing with these people involves the usual frustration...but would save a lot of money.

The first question that comes to mind is how fast do you need this B737 rating on your FAA ATP. Are you in a hurry to get this rating to secure the position at the employer ?



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Yeah it would save you a fortune but it probably wouldn't be quick, the Canadians are glacially slow issuing medicals and licences however that would be the hard part. Getting it all back to FAA should take half an hour with a DPE.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
Motp,

rudestuff has offered an interesting route to getting the B737 rating put on your FAA ATP. It appears to require time and a bit of back and forth with a bunch of government offices. I assume dealing with these people involves the usual frustration...but would save a lot of money.

The first question that comes to mind is how fast do you need this B737 rating on your FAA ATP. Are you in a hurry to get this rating to secure the position at the employer ?

I´m not in a hurry but obviously the sooner the better, I may have 3-4 months before I need the TR on the FAA ATPL.

Thanks as always.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 13:46
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
Yeah it would save you a fortune but it probably wouldn't be quick, the Canadians are glacially slow issuing medicals and licences however that would be the hard part. Getting it all back to FAA should take half an hour with a DPE.
To rudestuff:

Do you have a guess on how long it would take? (From FAA to Canadian)
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
It's all in CAR 421. You'll know it when you see it, trust me.
I was determined I was going to read CAR 421 to find the section pertinent to Motp's situation and learn something. But I became uncontrollably drowsy and fell asleep. Reading FARs does that to people.
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If the above magic doesn’t work, check out Higher Power Aviation in Forth Worth, Texas, good school, good people.
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Old 21st Oct 2023, 19:30
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
I was determined I was going to read CAR 421 to find the section pertinent to Motp's situation and learn something. But I became uncontrollably drowsy and fell asleep. Reading FARs does that to people.
Really? It shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to find 421.40 (5) & (6)
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
Really? It shouldn't take more than 2 minutes to find 421.40 (5) & (6)

2 minutes:

(5) Credits for Foreign Applicants

  • (a) Qualifying Flight Requirement
    (amended 2000/09/01)The holder of a licence issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the qualifying flight requirement specified in 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 10 hours pilot-in-command flight time on the appropriate aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for rating;
    (amended 2005/06/01)
  • (b) Pilot Proficiency Check RequirementThe holder of a licence with a two-crew type rating issued by a Contracting State shall be considered to have met the Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) above provided the applicant has acquired a minimum of 50 hours flight time on that aircraft type during the 12 months preceding the application for the rating.
    (amended 2005/06/01)

(6) Credits for Foreign Flight Test

(amended 2005/06/01)
  • (a) The qualifying flight requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(c)(iii), 3(g)(iii), 3(k)(ii), and 3(l) above may be performed under the supervision of a qualified person who is licensed by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits a letter from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming the personal log entry, and the qualification of the person who supervised the flight;
    (amended 2005/06/01)
  • (b) The Pilot Proficiency Check requirement specified in subparagraphs 3(a)(iii), 3(b)(iii), 3(f)(iii), and 3(g)(ii) may be performed by a person authorized by a Contracting State provided the applicant submits confirmation from the State’s Licensing Authority, or other source acceptable to the Minister confirming that the applicant meets the State’s skill test requirement for the issue of the type rating.
    (amended 2005/06/01)

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My attempt at humor has apparently fallen flat.

But I would never have seen that blast of legealese as satisfying the requirements of AC 61-135A for a person applying for a Canadian license but not holding a B737 rating on the FAA license...but on an EASA license. And showing how Motp would get his EASA type rating to a Canadian license.

I'm a terrible lawyer and happily defer to rudestuff's knowledge on this. And I'm in over my head. But it's cheap fun.

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Old 22nd Oct 2023, 05:35
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1) Use AC61.135A to convert the FAA ATP to Canadian ATPL.
2) Use the generosity of 421.40 to add the 737 type rating to the Canadian ATPL.
3) Use AC61.135A to convert the Canadian 737 type rating to an FAA one.

3 separate actions.

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