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Old 17th Oct 2023, 09:48
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FAA B737 Type rating for experienced Cpt

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I´m trying to include a B737 TR on my FAA ATPl(A), I do have 16000Hrs total and 3750 on type flown on EASA licence, anyone could recommend a place where to get the type rating to endorse it on the FAA licence?


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Canada.
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Canada.

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How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.

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rudestuff,

How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.
Yup, that's what he's looking for because he doesnt know the rules. 61-135A allows conversion of licences/certificates AND type ratings both ways. It's MUCH easier to get his 737 onto a Canadian licence. I've already said too much 🤫
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Originally Posted by Masteroftheplane
I´m trying to include a B737 TR on my FAA ATPl(A), I do have 16000Hrs total and 3750 on type flown on EASA licence, anyone could recommend a place where to get the type rating to endorse it on the FAA licence?
The real question is why would you even want to? If you get hired to fly a 737 they will give you the rating anyway.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
rudestuff,

How would Canada help the OP ? He's already got an FAA ticket. Is there a wrinkle in the fine print of AC 61-135A that would get his EASA (non-FAA, non-TCCA) type rating put on his FAA ticket ?

I got the impression he was looking for an FAA rating mill to give him the 737 type ride.

Hi again.

Thanks for the inputs, bafanguy is right, im looking for a training centre where I could take the FAA TR (taking into consideration that I have 3750 hrs and current on it) but flown under European licence.
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motp,

There are several places where you can do that. There seem to be several in the KMIA area. That'd also be closest to you if coming to the USA. Some Googling will give you plenty of options. I get the impression they don't just throw you in the sim for the rating ride but will likely want a warm-up session or two to get you ready. You shouldn't have any trouble finding what you want.

Here's just one example:

https://www.panamacademy.com/boeing-...ining-courses/
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To rudestuff:

Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.


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Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.
motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.
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Well, you are right, I do not know anything about 61-135A since I got my FAA ATPL in 1998 and came back to Europe, regarding the job, you are thinking (I believe) on an airline, and that is not the case.
So you want the type rating just for ****s and giggles? No problem, this is your lucky day. Have a read of AC61-135A and also CAR 421. You'll see that putting your EASA type rating onto your FAA ATP is just a paperwork exercise.
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Thanks a lot, will have a look at it.
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Originally Posted by rudestuff
Yup, that's what he's looking for because he doesnt know the rules. 61-135A allows conversion of licences/certificates AND type ratings both ways. It's MUCH easier to get his 737 onto a Canadian licence.
I got the impression he wasn't interested in a Canadian license. I'm getting confused.
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Originally Posted by Masteroftheplane
Thanks a lot, will have a look at it.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/...AC_61-135A.pdf

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Give me some minutes guys and will reply to both since you dedicated some time to me...
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.

Bafanguy: I´m aware of the relationship (or not) between an airline and a type rating, I have worked in 4 different continents for 4 different airlines with some different licences, I think the language barrier is playing here a big role.
Also, Im not thinking in going back to the US, but (this is also for rudestuff) when I said "you are thinking on an airline" i meant there are N registered aircrafts around the world that may require me to have the type rating on the FAA licence and "is not an airline", the owner will not give me anything and is expecting me to bring everything (probably I´m confusing you again)

I appreciate both inputs from you guys, I hope you understand now my point of getting the TR on the FAA licence not being for "****s and giggles".
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motp,

Ok, now I think I understand. Sorry if I muddied the waters. Looks like for your purposes, going to some training organization and getting a "quickie" type-rating course will get you what you need.

I'm not sure if there are FAA-authorized ATOs outside the USA that might be more convenient for you. Good luck in your effort.
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Originally Posted by bafanguy
motp,

Getting the type rating is independent of any airline (perhaps I'm not understanding what you said). It makes no difference if you've been flying for an airline or not. Some outfit in KMIA will be happy to take your money and put you through the type rating.

Are you considering coming to the US to fly ? If so, then rudestuff has a point in most cases: an airline, while it might prefer a type-rated applicant, will put it's new pilots through their own training program for the rating.
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motp,

Ok, now I think I understand. Sorry if I muddied the waters. Looks like for your purposes, going to some training organization and getting a "quickie" type-rating course will get you what you need.

I'm not sure if there are FAA-authorized ATOs outside the USA that might be more convenient for you. Good luck in your effort.
Thanks a lot bafanguy for the feedback, appreciate it.
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I got the impression he wasn't interested in a Canadian license. I'm getting confused.
He will be when he realises that he can convert his FAA ATP to a Canadian ATPL with no test, he can put his 737 type rating on his Canadian ATPL with no test, and can convert that back to an FAA type rating with no test.
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rudestuff,

I'm basically familiar with the provisions of AC 61-135A but haven't done a line-by-line deep dive. I assumed that because motp already has an FAA ATPL, that having a Canadian license AC 61-135A wouldn't apply to him. I'll have to take a better look to see how only a type rating can make the move from TCCA to an existing FAA ATPL. I'm not a very good jailhouse lawyer. I never would've considered that wrinkle. So much to know...so little time.
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He will be when he realises that he can convert his FAA ATP to a Canadian ATPL with no test, he can put his 737 type rating on his Canadian ATPL with no test, and can convert that back to an FAA type rating with no test.
rudestuff,

I've got a question about the proposed use of AC 61-135A to get motp a Canadian ATP. This is just for my education. I read through the AC and didn't see an answer.

Here's what I understand:

motp holds an EASA ATP with a B737 type rating.

He also holds an FAA ATP but NO B737 type rating.

So,

If he applies for the Canadian ATP under the provisions of AC 61-135A using his FAA ATP (without the B737 type rating), how would his EASA B737 type rating get put on the Canadian license when it doesn't exist on his FAA license ? The answer might be in the AC but I didn't see it addressed. Thanks.
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