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Old 13th Mar 2023, 17:13
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Hello Everyone!

I have got through to the Stage 3 Assessment at CAE for the Easyjet Programme.

Becoming an airline pilot is me dream and where i belong. I dont come from a wealthy family so knowing theres a guarantee of a job at the end is very reassuring.
I have received the Information pack from Easyjet as to what to expect, but its not very infromative and i want to succeed.

If anyone on here has successfully completed Stage3 and is training or finished training with Easyjet and is willing to help a fellow aviator in preparation for the Stage 3 Assessment. Please contact me ([email protected]), I would be very grateful.

Thank you for your time and safe flying.
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Old 13th Mar 2023, 20:55
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Bob, I have lost count of the number of times I have warned about the 'guaranteed job' sales pitch as there is no such thing.

Yes assuming you pass all the ATPLs, CPL/IR flying & the easyJet training there is a high probability of a job but this will ultimately depend upon market forces at the time you graduate.
Back in September 2001 I was a ATPL theory instructor (TKI) at the old Oxford Air Training School (now gobbled up by CAE) when 9/11 occurred, two fully sponsored courses, one Aer Lingus & another British Airways were cancelled within 48 hours, these students too thought they had 'guaranteed jobs'. My last instruction role for L3 Coventry in 2019 included some easyJet MPL students, then dear old CV19 hit & I believe easyJet dropped them like a hot potato then L3 wanted to charge them even more for converting to a standard 'Frozen ATPL'. Most I hear are now flying but with around two plus year delays, can you cover any loan debt for that period?

Best of luck achieving your goal.
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Thank you for the response. I am unable to cover the the loan debt, but given the aviation market, aside from going into the military this is they best path to take, dont you agree?

If you have any advice regarding a different route(Frozen ATPL) I am all ears.

What i seem to find, its more difficult accumulating the hours required by the airline to apply for a job than to pass the ATPL exams and gain the licences. ATPL do not seem to be hard in the sense that there is a steep learning curve, hard in the sense that you have to learn and take in vasts amount of information in a short time, no?

Thank you for your kind words.
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Old 13th Mar 2023, 22:36
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Originally Posted by bsmith369
Thank you for the response. I am unable to cover the the loan debt, but given the aviation market, aside from going into the military this is they best path to take, dont you agree?

If you have any advice regarding a different route(Frozen ATPL) I am all ears.

What i seem to find, its more difficult accumulating the hours required by the airline to apply for a job than to pass the ATPL exams and gain the licences. ATPL do not seem to be hard in the sense that there is a steep learning curve, hard in the sense that you have to learn and take in vasts amount of information in a short time, no?

Thank you for your kind words.
Get a trade outside of aviation, like plumbing or electrician, get an “fATPL” via the modular route for around half the cost of the MPL, then either fork out for Ryanair and get into a 737 and STILL be better off OR, better yet, get one of the multiple jobs that do exist in the UK that offer a bonded TR onto a turboprop or jet. Failing getting a job straight away, get a job in ops or the office of an airline or for someone like RVL as a systems operator.

You won’t have £1000 a month in loan repayments, you’ll be able to pace your training to suit yourself, you’ll have a “backup” that can earn you money outside of aviation. You’ll also bring some life experience to the job which is very valuable - the flying is the easy part, the hard part is everything around it. You’ll also stand out in competency based interviews far more if you have examples of dealing with customers/clients in real life as well as problem solving etc.

Whatever route you end up on, I wish you the very best of luck.

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Old 14th Mar 2023, 00:27
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I'm with Richard H.
As repeated hundreds of times, there is no such thing as a guaranteed job, but it certainly helps the marketing hype and the high price tag to promise one!

You can achieve the same at up to 50% less cost and very much less exposure and risk (less money up front). Look at the very best modular schools, there are some very good ones, look to the USA (where most of the training is done anyway, even at CAE), go for a UK and/or EASA approved school in the USA, current exchange rate for $70K means around 55K UKP for PPL/CPL/IR/ME/APS MCC UPRT......PM me if you want some specifics as I avoid making recommendations on this site for obvious reasons.

Currently, graduates from the better modular schools are being hired just as frequently as from the so called big schools. Sadly for the industry in general, all the heavy advertising is done bye the bigger schools so quite often people are just unaware of the many choices they really have, so search the list of UK schools overseas on the CAA website if that is the license you are looking for or EASA's website if you are looking for that.

I recently had the pleasure of meeting a very focused and determined young man who landed his first airline job as a 21 year old who told me his total spend was just 55K UKP, he had no loans outstanding, he parents contributed just 20K pounds and he earned the rest by working...it took him just 30 months...I'm sure there are many success stories like this one, but they are likely too busy flying to post!

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Don't believe anyone who tells you a fATPL costs £55k...
You can get one for less than £40k 🤣
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100% agree with Speed_Trim_Fail & spitfirejock offering some very sound advice you should listen to & investigate further.

As for EASA/UK ATPLs - most students will pass these either via full-time or distance learning study. The biggest shock is the volume of mostly high class rubbish that you have to learn in a relatively short period of time 80% of which you shall never use again & don't get me going on the standard of exam questions. You have to accept they are an entrance exam hoop to leap through to becoming a commercial pilot, put your social life on hold & just get through them asap then move on to the fun stuff.

Remember flying is supposed to be fun, if not you shouldn't be doing it.
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Rudestuff - Yes maybe, but at 40K you would have to start to question the quality of training, aircraft maintenance etc, operating costs are much higher today than they were. Very few, if any schools, could ever offer at this level a quality, reliable, consistent product.

I think the thrust of the argument we are making is that 100K is not necessary

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Thank you all for your advice and insights.

I have a masters degree and im still working but used the job to save up the money required to do the integrated ATPL route. Given that im based in the UK an EASA license is not possible, so has to be a UK. The modular I assume would take longer and its self taught, so if im stuck who do i ask? whereas a classroom based learning environment would make it easier no?
I would love to conduct flight training in the USA if they issued you with a UK CAA ATPL but so far i havent found any schools. If anyone knows any please let me know.
Looking at the Ryanair route they require a EASA licence( as do Wizz Air). You need to pay for a type ratings because the airlines aside from a cadet programme require you to have it.

If someone has passed the cadet programme selection and would be willing to help me, please reach out. ( in terms of competency based questions)

Thank you all for the time taken to reply to my thread and for the advice provided!
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Originally Posted by bsmith369
Thank you all for your advice and insights.

I have a masters degree and im still working but used the job to save up the money required to do the integrated ATPL route. Given that im based in the UK an EASA license is not possible, so has to be a UK. The modular I assume would take longer and its self taught, so if im stuck who do i ask? whereas a classroom based learning environment would make it easier no?
I would love to conduct flight training in the USA if they issued you with a UK CAA ATPL but so far i havent found any schools. If anyone knows any please let me know.
Looking at the Ryanair route they require a EASA licence( as do Wizz Air). You need to pay for a type ratings because the airlines aside from a cadet programme require you to have it.

If someone has passed the cadet programme selection and would be willing to help me, please reach out. ( in terms of competency based questions)

Thank you all for the time taken to reply to my thread and for the advice provided!
Hi Bob,

Rather than type an endless post on here, PM sent.
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Hi Bob, your inbox is full so I can’t message you.

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Hi STF

Cleared it, so there shouldnt be any problems now.
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Originally Posted by Speed_Trim_Fail
Hi Bob,

Rather than type an endless post on here, PM sent.
Hi STF,

You don't mind to direct message me as well, I have more or less the same questions! Thank you
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Wizz Air UK require a UK CAA license, Wizz Air UK is all G Reg.

Unfortunately the Integrated schools are once again dominating recruitment.

The only way into Easyjet now is via the CAE MPL scheme.
Even Easyjet Switzerland is charging experienced Turboprop FOs 30k CHF for a rating.

Modular can lead to some far more varied and interesting jobs providing you can survive not earning much for 3 to 5 or even more years.

I would recommend people avoid training at CAE, but if you want to work for Easyjet you will have no choice but to generate revenue for CAE.

Cadets from other ATOs were only recently taken on by Eastlyjet because the MPL supply dried up due to covid. Now the MPL is re established it is planned to be 200 MPLs per year from CAE.

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