Dual UK and EASA licencing for finishing the training
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Dual UK and EASA licencing for finishing the training
Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, I have read the older threads about dual UK and EASA licencing but I still have questions regarding it. Up until recently I had assumed that being UK based meant that I would only need the UK CAA licence to work at all of the UK based airlines, as the aircraft would be G registered for their UK base of operations, but EasyJet and Ryanair have opted to register most of their aircraft with EASA and are only employing pilots who hold EASA licences. This leaves me in a very awkward position of being ineligible to work for the two airlines that I expected to start my aviation career at and would limit my job prospects.
I am undertaking the modular route and completed the PPL and ATPL theoretical exams prior to Brexit. I also sat all of the exams with Austro Control, so I plan on using them as SOLI.
My understanding is that I need to do the following:
1. Complete a new initial Class 1 medical with an EASA state
2. Get my PPL and training records validated with that EASA state (is this needed when I have undertaken all training at an EASA approved UK ATO and held the licence prior to Brexit?)
3. Get the EASA PPL from that state
4. Complete the CPL and ME/IR skill tests with an examiner approved by both the UK CAA and EASA (does the ME/IR theoretical test need to be taken twice?)
My main questions:
1. Is this extra effort and expense ultimately worth it? I assume yes based on EasyJet and Ryanair's current policies.
2. Did EASA extend the validity period of the ATPL theoretical exams in the same way as the UK CAA (ORS4 No 1488)? I plan to finish all training within the initial 36 months, but it is a good safety net to have if I need it.
3. Does the IR skill test need to be completed in EASA airspace? I read something about this being an issue for EASA licensing, but that the UK CAA accepts IR skill tests performed in EASA airspace.
4. Has anyone used Austro Control to attain dual UK and EASA licences and can provide guidance on what steps to take? Especially forms to complete and the timeframe required to complete this.
5. If I complete the fATPL with the UK can I transfer it to an EASA state easily at the end? Much simpler in theory, but my understanding is that as the UK is now classed as a third-country it would not be possible without re-doing exams and skill tests.
Thanks for any help and clarification that can be given on this.
I am undertaking the modular route and completed the PPL and ATPL theoretical exams prior to Brexit. I also sat all of the exams with Austro Control, so I plan on using them as SOLI.
My understanding is that I need to do the following:
1. Complete a new initial Class 1 medical with an EASA state
2. Get my PPL and training records validated with that EASA state (is this needed when I have undertaken all training at an EASA approved UK ATO and held the licence prior to Brexit?)
3. Get the EASA PPL from that state
4. Complete the CPL and ME/IR skill tests with an examiner approved by both the UK CAA and EASA (does the ME/IR theoretical test need to be taken twice?)
My main questions:
1. Is this extra effort and expense ultimately worth it? I assume yes based on EasyJet and Ryanair's current policies.
2. Did EASA extend the validity period of the ATPL theoretical exams in the same way as the UK CAA (ORS4 No 1488)? I plan to finish all training within the initial 36 months, but it is a good safety net to have if I need it.
3. Does the IR skill test need to be completed in EASA airspace? I read something about this being an issue for EASA licensing, but that the UK CAA accepts IR skill tests performed in EASA airspace.
4. Has anyone used Austro Control to attain dual UK and EASA licences and can provide guidance on what steps to take? Especially forms to complete and the timeframe required to complete this.
5. If I complete the fATPL with the UK can I transfer it to an EASA state easily at the end? Much simpler in theory, but my understanding is that as the UK is now classed as a third-country it would not be possible without re-doing exams and skill tests.
Thanks for any help and clarification that can be given on this.
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easyJet have almost half their fleet on G-reg, so they will need UK licenses. Although, they have a contract for all their future cadets from CAE for the foreseeable, which doesn't help you either. Ryanair require an EASA license, however they will need to recruit some UK license holders for their G-reg fleet from the end of 2022.
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Freddickens where is your false information coming from? Easyjet have 3 AOCs, Swiss, Austrian and UK. In fact about 60 percent of the Fleet are G Reg in the UK.
Uk based crews will need a UK Part FCL license after Dec 2022. But as Flying Scotsman has stated CAE will only be employing CAE MPL cadets for the next 5 years. Some CAE tagged integrated will be recruited but once the next batch of mpls are ready, I suspect there will be no more tagged.
So as modular you will not be eligible to apply to Easyjet.
If your EASA ATPL exams were completed before brexit they will be recognised for UK Part FCL provided your license application occurs by Dec 2022.
EASA training and skills tests may be accepted for UK Part FCL issue up to the end of this year, providing the EASA ATO you train at held its approvals prior to Brexit.
So along as you complete training by December 2022 you could do the EASA CPL and IR at an EASA ATO and still use those tests to apply for a UK Part FCL.
Uk based crews will need a UK Part FCL license after Dec 2022. But as Flying Scotsman has stated CAE will only be employing CAE MPL cadets for the next 5 years. Some CAE tagged integrated will be recruited but once the next batch of mpls are ready, I suspect there will be no more tagged.
So as modular you will not be eligible to apply to Easyjet.
If your EASA ATPL exams were completed before brexit they will be recognised for UK Part FCL provided your license application occurs by Dec 2022.
EASA training and skills tests may be accepted for UK Part FCL issue up to the end of this year, providing the EASA ATO you train at held its approvals prior to Brexit.
So along as you complete training by December 2022 you could do the EASA CPL and IR at an EASA ATO and still use those tests to apply for a UK Part FCL.
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I was aware of the current EasyJet recruitment policy, but that is not something that I can control and I still would have opted for the modular route even it was known several years ago. This puts further weight into me needing the EASA licence, if Ryanair are my best chance.
I will be completing my training in the UK, because I am still working and I am fortunate to have a flexible employer who wants to keep me working for them after I have finished the training and have started looking for my first pilot job. My ATO has the EASA approval, so I can complete the training there, but I am still not certain on if the IR still test would be accepted in UK airspace for an EASA licence.
I will be completing my training in the UK, because I am still working and I am fortunate to have a flexible employer who wants to keep me working for them after I have finished the training and have started looking for my first pilot job. My ATO has the EASA approval, so I can complete the training there, but I am still not certain on if the IR still test would be accepted in UK airspace for an EASA licence.
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The EASA IR test has to go into "EASA"airspace. A school on the South Coast is able to get round this by routing over the channel and flying approaches at airfields on the Northern French Coast.
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What happens after Dec 2022 deadline?
I am a UK student with dual nationality. Due to the cost of training being cheaper in Europe I am going to study in Europe and get my EASA license bit was always planning on coming back to the UK to get a job here. This new post Brexit stuff has now thrown a spanner in the works for me. So does this mean if I don't have a CAA license I won't be able to fly with a UK airline as I will only get my license at the end of 2024? Would I be able to come back to the UK and take CAA exams and get a first class medical in the UK if I already have my EASA licence or would they require that I study from scratch in the UK? This will be a problem for me and I now need to decide if I want to be a pilot more and relocate to Europe after being qualified or choose another career path and stay in the UK near my family and friends. I have tried to call the CAA but got a very rude man on the phone who was very dismissive of my questions and just told me if I want to be a pilot after this deadline I must study in the UK. Surely this can't be true? I called up L3 Harris and they told me they had no idea what was happening after the deadline but had now started to offer dual licences which if you studied in the UK they now affiliate themselves with a European flight school, you go to Europe do 10hrs of flying in EU airspace, get an EU medical and take exams there, then you have both types. I am so confused right now and the school I am going to study at said as far as they were aware you were not allowed ro hold two different licences and had to get what ever licence you had converted the the licence of the country you would work in. They are going to contact EASA licensing authority in Europe and get back to me. Any help or advice on this will be greatly appreciated.
I am a UK student with dual nationality. Due to the cost of training being cheaper in Europe I am going to study in Europe and get my EASA license bit was always planning on coming back to the UK to get a job here. This new post Brexit stuff has now thrown a spanner in the works for me. So does this mean if I don't have a CAA license I won't be able to fly with a UK airline as I will only get my license at the end of 2024? Would I be able to come back to the UK and take CAA exams and get a first class medical in the UK if I already have my EASA licence or would they require that I study from scratch in the UK? This will be a problem for me and I now need to decide if I want to be a pilot more and relocate to Europe after being qualified or choose another career path and stay in the UK near my family and friends. I have tried to call the CAA but got a very rude man on the phone who was very dismissive of my questions and just told me if I want to be a pilot after this deadline I must study in the UK. Surely this can't be true? I called up L3 Harris and they told me they had no idea what was happening after the deadline but had now started to offer dual licences which if you studied in the UK they now affiliate themselves with a European flight school, you go to Europe do 10hrs of flying in EU airspace, get an EU medical and take exams there, then you have both types. I am so confused right now and the school I am going to study at said as far as they were aware you were not allowed ro hold two different licences and had to get what ever licence you had converted the the licence of the country you would work in. They are going to contact EASA licensing authority in Europe and get back to me. Any help or advice on this will be greatly appreciated.
- You will be unable to obtain a UK licence if you train outside the UK
- EASA licences become third country licences in the UK meaning you can't operate G reg or apply simply for a UK licence.
- There will be no simple way of converting between licences.
- Thank the UK government for this atrocious mess.
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After 2022:
- You will be unable to obtain a UK licence if you train outside the UK
- EASA licences become third country licences in the UK meaning you can't operate G reg or apply simply for a UK licence.
- There will be no simple way of converting between licences.
- Thank the UK government for this atrocious mess.
- You will be unable to obtain a UK licence if you train outside the UK
- EASA licences become third country licences in the UK meaning you can't operate G reg or apply simply for a UK licence.
- There will be no simple way of converting between licences.
- Thank the UK government for this atrocious mess.
😢😭 Well there is absolutely no way I can afford to train in the UK so guess I gotta put my big girl pants on, learn another language and relocate to Europe then. The UK government has so much to answer for! Do they not realise the mess they are creating for the flight industry?!?! Well suppose they don't care as long as they have enough then stuff everyone else. I am so angry about all of this. Oh well I suppose you have to just deal with cards life throws at you and make the most of things. I was just hoping there was away or loop hole to get both licences.
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