ME IR Renewal inquiry?
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ME IR Renewal inquiry?
Good day fellow aviators
My apologies if this question has been asked many times before but i am looking for a more current answer since many rules are changing regularly nowadays ,
I hold a Greek EASA CPL with a MEP MEIR expired in September 2019 , due to some personal reasons i had to let it expire ,and i was planning to renew my IR in the past summer but like everyone else my plan was interrupted by this pandemic .
I know that i have to go through an ATO now and since now the chances of finding a low hour pilot job is slim and my lack of free time cause of my other job , and the inability to travel to the EU for renewals today i was thinking of renewing the IR as late as practical .
Can someone experienced in this field please tell me till when i can leave the IR expired without having to go through all the initial IR training again , and how many training sessions are required nowadays by EASA (HCAA) based on time lapsed since expiry ? IS there any exemption during this pandemic for renewals of IR ?
Another question is If in a rare case an airline hired me ( EASA now does not require a valid IR to start a Type Rating ) , can I have a Multi pilot IR without having to renew my old single pilot IR ?
Stay safe everyone and hopefully this Pandemic ends soon for humanity and the aviation industry in specific .
My apologies if this question has been asked many times before but i am looking for a more current answer since many rules are changing regularly nowadays ,
I hold a Greek EASA CPL with a MEP MEIR expired in September 2019 , due to some personal reasons i had to let it expire ,and i was planning to renew my IR in the past summer but like everyone else my plan was interrupted by this pandemic .
I know that i have to go through an ATO now and since now the chances of finding a low hour pilot job is slim and my lack of free time cause of my other job , and the inability to travel to the EU for renewals today i was thinking of renewing the IR as late as practical .
Can someone experienced in this field please tell me till when i can leave the IR expired without having to go through all the initial IR training again , and how many training sessions are required nowadays by EASA (HCAA) based on time lapsed since expiry ? IS there any exemption during this pandemic for renewals of IR ?
Another question is If in a rare case an airline hired me ( EASA now does not require a valid IR to start a Type Rating ) , can I have a Multi pilot IR without having to renew my old single pilot IR ?
Stay safe everyone and hopefully this Pandemic ends soon for humanity and the aviation industry in specific .
1. There is never a requirement to complete initial IR training again, no matter when the IR expired. However, if the IR has not been revalidated or renewed in the preceding 7 years the theoretical knowledge examinations must be passed again.
2. EASA does not require a minimum number of training sessions. It is up to the ATO to determine what training is required to reach the standard required to pass the IR proficiency check.
3. Before commencing a MPA type rating a pilot must hold or have held a MEIR. There is no requirement to renew the MEIR before commencing the MPA type rating course.
2. EASA does not require a minimum number of training sessions. It is up to the ATO to determine what training is required to reach the standard required to pass the IR proficiency check.
3. Before commencing a MPA type rating a pilot must hold or have held a MEIR. There is no requirement to renew the MEIR before commencing the MPA type rating course.
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Just FYI, part-FCL has changed on 21st Dec 19, and now states "hold or have held" as BillieBob said.
It used to state "hold", which is why people used to keep their MEIR current. This is not useful anymore.
It used to state "hold", which is why people used to keep their MEIR current. This is not useful anymore.
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Thank you BillieBob for your reply and information ,
Now i can be relaxed knowing that i can at least let go of renewing my IR a year or two .
Regarding doing the TR without a valid MEIR , so if i get hired by an airline ,i do the TR , and then renew my ME IR ? Or the multi pilot IR which is done on the multi pilot aircraft in an airline is different and does not depend on the status on my SP MEIR ? How is the Multi pilot MEIR connected to single pilot MEIR ? Im confused
Now i can be relaxed knowing that i can at least let go of renewing my IR a year or two .
Regarding doing the TR without a valid MEIR , so if i get hired by an airline ,i do the TR , and then renew my ME IR ? Or the multi pilot IR which is done on the multi pilot aircraft in an airline is different and does not depend on the status on my SP MEIR ? How is the Multi pilot MEIR connected to single pilot MEIR ? Im confused
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The MP IR is part of the LST and is valid only for 2 crew operations on that type/variants.
If you want to operate a light ac, your MP IR is not valid.
A separate IR renewal on a light ac is necessary if IFR operations are then contemplated.
If you want to operate a light ac, your MP IR is not valid.
A separate IR renewal on a light ac is necessary if IFR operations are then contemplated.
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Greetings,
I have my ME/IR and SEP/IR expired and I don't think I will be applying for airline jobs for the next 2 years.
Do you think it is a good idea to get all the ME/IR renewals done only when you are certain that there is a job opportunity or should you always try and keep revalidating it every year to be safe?
Looking for an economical solution to keep my ratings valid just in time for when I'm able to apply for a flight deck position.
I have my ME/IR and SEP/IR expired and I don't think I will be applying for airline jobs for the next 2 years.
Do you think it is a good idea to get all the ME/IR renewals done only when you are certain that there is a job opportunity or should you always try and keep revalidating it every year to be safe?
Looking for an economical solution to keep my ratings valid just in time for when I'm able to apply for a flight deck position.
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Apparently you have not read the previous posts. You don't need a valid MEIR to apply for a job nor start a type rating. This has changed in 2019. Of course an employer is free to require it anyway.
If you choose not to revalidate IRSE or IRME, beware you'll have to do all the ATPL theory again if they have lapsed for more than 7 years. Therefore you should renew any IR privileges every 7 years to keep the benefits of your theoretical ATPL.
If you choose not to revalidate IRSE or IRME, beware you'll have to do all the ATPL theory again if they have lapsed for more than 7 years. Therefore you should renew any IR privileges every 7 years to keep the benefits of your theoretical ATPL.
Meow, elsewhere you mentioned being located outside the EU. Were you to hold a third-country licence with valid ratings, you could take advantage of the provisions in FCL.625(e) and FCL.740(b), ult subpara, to renew expired EASA ratings simply by following the revalidation actions rather than the renewal actions. In other words, there would be no requirement to attend an EASA ATO for an evaluation and refresher training, if any, prior to attempting the proficiency checks.
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For the purpose of getting an ATPL licence if the theory is expired, the CBIR will be no use. You have to do all the ATPL theory again to be able to get your ATPL practical licence.
