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easyJet MPL - continue or stop

Old 5th Sep 2020, 22:02
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Originally Posted by stoneangel View Post
why some of you did a MPL ?? really...
good luck though :/
As others have articulated, it has worked extremely well in the past. We always knew there was a risk of things not working out but no-one could have predicted a pandemic!

Anyway, I've finished ground school and terminated myself... back to my previous career until this shitshow blows over.

Incredibly, I've heard anecdotal evidence that some people are considering continuing with a "whitetail" MPL... lost for words.
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 09:51
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Therein lies one of the many problems with our industry. All you need to look at is how the railway industry treats prospective train drivers - no jobs, no training.
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 12:58
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Does the rail industry have the equivalent of ATOs?
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 18:00
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They've got well funded and quality training facilities... funded not by the trainees tho...
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 20:09
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All in-house and paid by the company. Got my BEng at my firm completely paid for. Doubt they'd do that now though...
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 06:04
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Thanks..explains a lot....
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 11:39
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Wiggy,

Sadly there has been a steady deterioration in T&Cs for future Birdmen going all the way back way beyond when i started out in 2006. Back then I was able to attend a very competitive selection process (3-5% pass rate at the time) and take out an unsecured loan of 50k as a training bond. This bond covered my training costs (inc TR - paid for by the airline) and was then repaid back to me over a period of years when I joined the airline at the end of my training course.

These days, the generation easyJet program has replaced what I did and every year more and more risk/cost is put on prospective cadets. We now find ourselves at the end of the line where it is no longer feasible. Something will have to change going forwards as neither the salary, contracts or T&Cs will merit the initial financial investment. I don't expect it will ever go back to the good ol days, far from it sadly.

From the inside it really feels like this industry is dying. Its sad, it really is.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 11:51
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Originally Posted by Contact Approach View Post
Wiggy,

Sadly there has been a steady deterioration in T&Cs for future Birdmen going all the way back way beyond when i started out in 2006. .
Yep I'm aware - my question about the ATOs upthread was somewhat rhetorical.

If the airlines were still responsible for training their own from ab-intio we would not be where we are now- i.e. the ATOs being stand alone businesses are not going to stop training, they have absolutely no interest in anything other than selling courses...

FWIW I've seen this going on in the civilian world since the late 80's and went through a very very selective system well prior to that when joining the military...yes, I'm that old...and yes, I'm also aware the "past is another country".
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 12:02
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If the beancounters can get away with minimum risk, and transferring it in many cases, to the bank of Mum & Dad, that is exactly what they will do.

When we eventually emerge from this tsunami, it is possible that a significant imbalance between Supply & Demand will occur, to such an extent, that the beancounters will need to rethink their previous strategy.

The tide might eventually turn where financial sponsorship is the only way to entice perspective trainees?

Aer Lingus were the only ‘nice’ employer, fully sponsoring their cadets.
A previous BA scheme repaid the initial training costs once on line over time, with an adjusted salary. Probably close to fiscally neutral to appease the beancounters?

These dark days will pass. Those doing their GCSE this year followed by ‘A’ levels and then higher education may well be ideally placed for the Industry.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 13:29
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I know that people like me are considered trolls. But when considering a career as a Pilot in the modern Aviation world, young people and their parents need to be very aware of the facts. The truth is that the major FTO's are the most unscrupulous salesmen that exist. They appear very professional as much as maybe you'd expect from a Harley street Doctor when trusting them with your life.

In truth the British Airline industry is already flooded with Pilots, the rest of Europe simply has too many. This is without considering the pandemic.

But the Pandemic is not a surprise situation. It's normal as an event. These events hit the Airline industry every 10 years (+/-). The last event was the financial crisis. The surprise there was that we recovered so quickly (within 5 years), the reason for our recovery was due to high demand for expat Pilots from the middle East and China. That demand will not come again because those countries now train their own citizens, much to the consternation of the expats.

Prior to that it was 9/11, again we only suffered for 2 years because the growth of the European low cost Airlines was exponential at that time, that will not happen again.

When entering a flight school and paying a large sum of money, it needs to be seen as a very high risk investment, therefore you would not put money in that you couldn't afford to lose.

Don't go thinking that there'll be jobs in 18 months time. If BA, Easyjet, Ryanair survive this then they will be highly indebted companies with little ability to be competitive and to grow. As Willie Walsh recently discussed. We also don't know the effect of Brexit on the industry.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 21:51
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Hi, I'm not suggesting you are a troll albeit I would say that your post comes across as slightly condescending.

If you'd read my initial post you'd also know that it wasn't my parents' money I was using but my own, hard-earned cash. You seem to suggest there wasn't a shortage of pilots prior to the pandemic ... what about the IATA projections showing a shortage of pilots pre-Covid? As for a pandemic not being a surprise event... come off of it. I have a finance background - the level of fiscal spending and action taken by central banks to prop up ailing economies is unprecedented. The impact of Covid on financial markets has been far more significant than the 2008 crisis. This is mirrored in the impact on aviation.

I take the point that aviation is cyclical and appreciate your points regarding recruitment not being a realistic prospect for a good while. I would agree with you in that respect.
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Old 7th Sep 2020, 22:33
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There has never, ever, in my 40 years of flying been a true shortage of Pilots. There has always been a source of Pilots to Airlines from somewhere. As for future projections, in my view they are a sales gimic to attract the unwary. If you take 3 good years of Pilot demand and growth, then project that growth forward 20 years, you get an exponential curve which is completely unrealistic (it totally disregards the history of regular downturns).

The Aircraft manufacturers themselves have different factions. You've got the salesmen that need to convince people that there'll be a massive shortage of Pilots over the coming years in order to ensure an abundance of Crew to meet their sales requirements. On the other hand you have the Aircraft development team (at Airbus) selling the fact that Aircraft will be semi-Autonomous by the mid 30's. They can't have it both ways but yet they do because the different departments have different goals.

If you've been on an MPL course, in my opinion, stick with it the best you can. There is going to be a long term glut of Pilots. If you've done the MPL then there's a chance of a queue jump.
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