ME/IR revalidation EASA
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Believe the rules have recently changed (infact I think EASA had the rule change a while the UK CAA has only recently implemented). So they can only grant the IR validity if you have a relevant class rating on which to exercise the privileges.
https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...or-aeroplanes/
Believe the alternate rule still applies, if your last IR was in the aircraft the next re-validation can be in the FNPT 11. As long as your MEP is current then the examiner can still then extend the validity of the SPA ME/IR /SE. However if you revalidate in an FNPT 11 and only have an SEP but no MEP, I believe the examiner could only extend the validity as a SPA SE/IR.
However you do have the option of renewing (assuming if you don't have an MEP you have gone past the expiry date so it is a renewal) the MEP at the same time as the revalidation or renewal of the SPA ME/IR, but that would have to be done in the aircraft.
https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...or-aeroplanes/
Believe the alternate rule still applies, if your last IR was in the aircraft the next re-validation can be in the FNPT 11. As long as your MEP is current then the examiner can still then extend the validity of the SPA ME/IR /SE. However if you revalidate in an FNPT 11 and only have an SEP but no MEP, I believe the examiner could only extend the validity as a SPA SE/IR.
However you do have the option of renewing (assuming if you don't have an MEP you have gone past the expiry date so it is a renewal) the MEP at the same time as the revalidation or renewal of the SPA ME/IR, but that would have to be done in the aircraft.
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the current situation for me.
i have a valid ME/IR
my MEP has expired by less than a year
it’s that time of the year where I can do it in the sim
what would your suggestions be?
i have a valid ME/IR
my MEP has expired by less than a year
it’s that time of the year where I can do it in the sim
what would your suggestions be?
Educated Hillbilly
MrPeewee, only you know you circumstances, do you need a ME/IR right now or can you cope with just a SPA SE/IR?
Have you previously held a MPA ME/IR?
Now to do you first type rating it use to be the case you needed a valid/current ME/IR for any subsequent type ratings it was only necessary to have held a ME/IR.
I also think the rules on this may have changed again (I need to check, haven't got time right now) that it is also the case for a first MPA type you only need to have held a ME/IR, however no operator will take you without a current/ valid ME/IR so the point is academic.
So the chances you are going to get a multi crew job in the next 12 months are slim. Also unless you have over 700 hours you are not going to be eligible for any single pilot MEP job (a few exceptions for >500).
Have you previously held a MPA ME/IR?
Now to do you first type rating it use to be the case you needed a valid/current ME/IR for any subsequent type ratings it was only necessary to have held a ME/IR.
I also think the rules on this may have changed again (I need to check, haven't got time right now) that it is also the case for a first MPA type you only need to have held a ME/IR, however no operator will take you without a current/ valid ME/IR so the point is academic.
So the chances you are going to get a multi crew job in the next 12 months are slim. Also unless you have over 700 hours you are not going to be eligible for any single pilot MEP job (a few exceptions for >500).
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Unfortunately as your MEP has expired the new regs (came in 16 March) require you to renew your MEP as well - which would realistically mean doing the test in the aircraft (both MEP and IR). If you have sufficient time available on the SP ME IR you could renew the MEP as a separate flight and then do the IR in the sim but would be probably a lot more expensive, the bit below is from CAP 1879. If your SEP is not current then only your MEP IR will be revalidated.
References: Subpart G, FCL.625, FCL.625(A), FCL.625(H)) There has been a change to FCL.625, Instrument Rating-Validity, revalidation and renewal for aeroplanes and helicopters, which applies to national and Part-FCL licence holders. When revalidating or renewing an IR(A) or IR(H), the licence holder must hold the relevant valid class or type rating, unless revalidating or renewing the privileges of the class or type rating at the same time as renewing the IR. Examiners need to ensure that the applicant meets these requirements when conducting Proficiency Checks and sign the Certificate of Revalidation accordingly. Pilots who have an IR with SE and ME privileges on their licence need to hold current single engine and multi engine rating when revalidating or renewing their IR if they wish to fly IR in single engine and multi engine aeroplanes. Pilots only valid in a multi engine class rating at the time the IR is revalidated/renewed can only be endorsed with an IR valid for multi engine aeroplanes (IR SP ME). The legislation states that the applicant must “hold the relevant class or type rating unless the IR revalidation is combined with the renewal of the relevant class or type rating”.
IR.SE.ME class/SE holders: Should an IR proficiency check be completed in a multi- engine whilst the candidate only holds a valid single engine rating, the candidate will have to renew the multi engine and retake the IR proficiency check in order to regain IR multi engine privileges. For example, a revalidation or renewal of an IR by Proficiency Check completed in a ME class of aeroplane or qualified FNPT II on 15th March 2020. The pilot under check only holds a valid SEP Class Rating, no valid multi engine rating is held, the Examiner is only able to endorse IR SP SE on the Certificate of Revalidation in the pilot’s licence. The current practise is where the IR SP ME automatically confers IR SP SE privileges. This practice ends as of 16 March 2020.
References: Subpart G, FCL.625, FCL.625(A), FCL.625(H)) There has been a change to FCL.625, Instrument Rating-Validity, revalidation and renewal for aeroplanes and helicopters, which applies to national and Part-FCL licence holders. When revalidating or renewing an IR(A) or IR(H), the licence holder must hold the relevant valid class or type rating, unless revalidating or renewing the privileges of the class or type rating at the same time as renewing the IR. Examiners need to ensure that the applicant meets these requirements when conducting Proficiency Checks and sign the Certificate of Revalidation accordingly. Pilots who have an IR with SE and ME privileges on their licence need to hold current single engine and multi engine rating when revalidating or renewing their IR if they wish to fly IR in single engine and multi engine aeroplanes. Pilots only valid in a multi engine class rating at the time the IR is revalidated/renewed can only be endorsed with an IR valid for multi engine aeroplanes (IR SP ME). The legislation states that the applicant must “hold the relevant class or type rating unless the IR revalidation is combined with the renewal of the relevant class or type rating”.
IR.SE.ME class/SE holders: Should an IR proficiency check be completed in a multi- engine whilst the candidate only holds a valid single engine rating, the candidate will have to renew the multi engine and retake the IR proficiency check in order to regain IR multi engine privileges. For example, a revalidation or renewal of an IR by Proficiency Check completed in a ME class of aeroplane or qualified FNPT II on 15th March 2020. The pilot under check only holds a valid SEP Class Rating, no valid multi engine rating is held, the Examiner is only able to endorse IR SP SE on the Certificate of Revalidation in the pilot’s licence. The current practise is where the IR SP ME automatically confers IR SP SE privileges. This practice ends as of 16 March 2020.
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FCL.625.IR
(a) Revalidation.
To revalidate an IR(A) , applicants shall:
(1) hold the relevant class or type rating, unless the IR revalidation is combined with the renewal of the relevant class or type rating;
(2) pass a proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex if the IR revalidation is combined with the revalidation of a class or type rating;
(3) if the IR revalidation is not combined with the revalidation of a class or type rating:
(i) for single-pilot aeroplanes, complete section 3b and those parts of section 1 which are relevant to the intended flight of the proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex;
(ii) for multi-engine aeroplanes, complete section 6 of the proficiency check for singlepilot aeroplanes in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex by sole reference to instruments.
(4)
An FNPT II or an FFS representing the relevant class or type of aeroplane may be used for the revalidation pursuant to point (2), provided that at least each alternate proficiency check for the revalidation of an IR(A) is performed in an aeroplane.
(b)
Cross-credit shall be given in accordance with Appendix 8 to this Part.
I quote: »(1) hold the relevant class or type rating » it does not say current neither valid. So, as long as the MEP rating is written on the license you can revalidation you SP ME IR without the needs of revalidating your MEP CLASS RATING
(a) Revalidation.
To revalidate an IR(A) , applicants shall:
(1) hold the relevant class or type rating, unless the IR revalidation is combined with the renewal of the relevant class or type rating;
(2) pass a proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex if the IR revalidation is combined with the revalidation of a class or type rating;
(3) if the IR revalidation is not combined with the revalidation of a class or type rating:
(i) for single-pilot aeroplanes, complete section 3b and those parts of section 1 which are relevant to the intended flight of the proficiency check in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex;
(ii) for multi-engine aeroplanes, complete section 6 of the proficiency check for singlepilot aeroplanes in accordance with Appendix 9 to this Annex by sole reference to instruments.
(4)
An FNPT II or an FFS representing the relevant class or type of aeroplane may be used for the revalidation pursuant to point (2), provided that at least each alternate proficiency check for the revalidation of an IR(A) is performed in an aeroplane.
(b)
Cross-credit shall be given in accordance with Appendix 8 to this Part.
I quote: »(1) hold the relevant class or type rating » it does not say current neither valid. So, as long as the MEP rating is written on the license you can revalidation you SP ME IR without the needs of revalidating your MEP CLASS RATING
In EASA-speak the requirement to 'hold' a qualification implies that it must be valid. If a qualification is expired, it is termed "previously held" until such time as it is renewed.
