What is the story at OATS
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Wee Weasley Welshman,
I think next year I might be going through what Harves is going through now: BAE or OATS? In fact I'm still very interested in WMU having recently talked to one of their instructors. I think the 737 sim may have been influential. Anyway, now I've got a few questions for you:
1. Did you go ab-initio to BAE?
2. If so, did they offer you an instructors role following the completed course?
3. How many instructors ratings did they require for this? I would be very interested in instructing for a while. Having taught electronics many years ago, I found teaching gave one an even better grasp of the subject matter. Plus as an instructor you must have clocked up a lot of valuable PIC hours.
4. Difficult one this - told my girlfriend about BAE in Jerez. I think the words 'south of Spain' as part of the description has made her want to take a year off and come with me which would be great but is it practical? Obviously she would have to live off campus but is the idea practical in the first place? Would the studying and flying regime be too intense to entertain such niceties as a relationship?
5. I think you mentioned you started the professional flying in your 30's (could be wrong on this - I only discovered the Pprune forum on Sunday and have spent about 10 hours total reading different threads since then, so it's hard to remember who has done what at this stage). I'll be 40 when I start ab-initio. I've got a S.A. PPL (100 hours logged) from 2 years ago clocked in Cape Town. I don't mind starting from scratch as I'm as rusty as hell since I got back to Ireland where I had to give up the jolly's due to weather, cost and bloody
intransigent IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) rules. Would you discourage me? Obviously I'd love to fly a 737 but I'd be very happy in a regional and no mistake.
WWW, if you get time to answer all this you may save me a lot of time and soul searching.
Thanks.
I think next year I might be going through what Harves is going through now: BAE or OATS? In fact I'm still very interested in WMU having recently talked to one of their instructors. I think the 737 sim may have been influential. Anyway, now I've got a few questions for you:
1. Did you go ab-initio to BAE?
2. If so, did they offer you an instructors role following the completed course?
3. How many instructors ratings did they require for this? I would be very interested in instructing for a while. Having taught electronics many years ago, I found teaching gave one an even better grasp of the subject matter. Plus as an instructor you must have clocked up a lot of valuable PIC hours.
4. Difficult one this - told my girlfriend about BAE in Jerez. I think the words 'south of Spain' as part of the description has made her want to take a year off and come with me which would be great but is it practical? Obviously she would have to live off campus but is the idea practical in the first place? Would the studying and flying regime be too intense to entertain such niceties as a relationship?
5. I think you mentioned you started the professional flying in your 30's (could be wrong on this - I only discovered the Pprune forum on Sunday and have spent about 10 hours total reading different threads since then, so it's hard to remember who has done what at this stage). I'll be 40 when I start ab-initio. I've got a S.A. PPL (100 hours logged) from 2 years ago clocked in Cape Town. I don't mind starting from scratch as I'm as rusty as hell since I got back to Ireland where I had to give up the jolly's due to weather, cost and bloody
intransigent IAA (Irish Aviation Authority) rules. Would you discourage me? Obviously I'd love to fly a 737 but I'd be very happy in a regional and no mistake.
WWW, if you get time to answer all this you may save me a lot of time and soul searching.
Thanks.
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Billy,
Just a quick word of encouragement. This forum has shown me that I am certainly not alone.
Amazing the effect that the South of Spain had on my girlfriend!!! Realistically, I could not afford to support her of campus, but I suspect from talking to other Ab-initio students, I get the feeling being focused is essential, if yours is anything like mine, it may get a little difficult.
Keep coming back, because if this thread isn't still going on this subject, you can bet your life anotherwill be sooner or later.
I keep coming back, desperately seeking that one point that will decide me.
Good luck anyway,
May bump into each other sometime.
Just a quick word of encouragement. This forum has shown me that I am certainly not alone.
Amazing the effect that the South of Spain had on my girlfriend!!! Realistically, I could not afford to support her of campus, but I suspect from talking to other Ab-initio students, I get the feeling being focused is essential, if yours is anything like mine, it may get a little difficult.
Keep coming back, because if this thread isn't still going on this subject, you can bet your life anotherwill be sooner or later.
I keep coming back, desperately seeking that one point that will decide me.
Good luck anyway,
May bump into each other sometime.
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hello BAE-applicants,
i am also interested in the ab-initio scheme provided by BAE in Spain. i am married and my wife will go with me if I go. i emailed already twice to their marketing person (Mary Jo) and asked her if what amount they deduct if i have my own apartment etc. however, never got a response from her concerning this specific question. she just sent me all the restant marketing info that´s on their webpage. very professional!!!
does anybody know anything about what they deduct if they deduct.
thanx
i am also interested in the ab-initio scheme provided by BAE in Spain. i am married and my wife will go with me if I go. i emailed already twice to their marketing person (Mary Jo) and asked her if what amount they deduct if i have my own apartment etc. however, never got a response from her concerning this specific question. she just sent me all the restant marketing info that´s on their webpage. very professional!!!
does anybody know anything about what they deduct if they deduct.
thanx
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Jochen, I'm afraid I don't know, but I think they will have to look at it, because there are a lot of us in the same boat.
I am doing the April course which has been "discounted" to £48500 to include food and acom. I suspect that my reply would be that I am already receiving a special price but I don't know.
I did find out that they had special arrangements with local hotels.
My Mrs will just have to visit if I go. She says it sounds like conjugal rights.
If you find anything more, give me a shout.
I am doing the April course which has been "discounted" to £48500 to include food and acom. I suspect that my reply would be that I am already receiving a special price but I don't know.
I did find out that they had special arrangements with local hotels.
My Mrs will just have to visit if I go. She says it sounds like conjugal rights.
If you find anything more, give me a shout.
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Harves,
I am fairly new so please forgive
& forget if I get a few things wrong!
BTW What is the difference between places like Multiflight (working with PanAm flight academy) and OATS or BAE in Jerez where you are going? I mean they all offer the same qualification; frozen ATPL from ab inito.
The only difference I can see is the famous names of BAE and OATS and the price. An extra £20K seems a lot to pay for a flight school which has a better rep! Or am I over looking the point?
Cheers
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"mayday mayday! The sim has lost one of it's legs!"
I am fairly new so please forgive
& forget if I get a few things wrong!
BTW What is the difference between places like Multiflight (working with PanAm flight academy) and OATS or BAE in Jerez where you are going? I mean they all offer the same qualification; frozen ATPL from ab inito.
The only difference I can see is the famous names of BAE and OATS and the price. An extra £20K seems a lot to pay for a flight school which has a better rep! Or am I over looking the point?
Cheers
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"mayday mayday! The sim has lost one of it's legs!"
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Also;
Does anyone know the difference between JAR-FCL 1 ATPL (A) and JAR-FCL 1 CPL (A)?
As outlined in the CAA pages:
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...provedftos.pdf
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"mayday mayday! The sim has lost one of it's legs!"
Does anyone know the difference between JAR-FCL 1 ATPL (A) and JAR-FCL 1 CPL (A)?
As outlined in the CAA pages:
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...provedftos.pdf
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"mayday mayday! The sim has lost one of it's legs!"
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just received the email from Mrs Mary Jo of BAE in Spain. She says students have to take accommodation on the campus!!! Wifes or girlfriends have to rent accommodation off-campus for themselves!!!
well, that appears to be, at least apriori, unacceptable for my better half!!!
Cheers
well, that appears to be, at least apriori, unacceptable for my better half!!!
Cheers
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I'm self sponsored and am at the very end of my time at OATS (IRT on Wednesday). Not once have I been second place to a sponsored student. In fact, I have done the twins significantly faster than the BA students around me, including those on the poorly named "fast track". In the end it all boils down to attitude, luck, your love of 0600 and sometimes the seniority of your instructor. There are a few students who like to fly after lunch, Monday to Thursday, and they are the ones who are way behind.
Stu
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Gucci - The difference is that schools approved to run the JAR ATPL do the full integrated course, including all the written exams and 195 hours flying. Schools approved to conduct training for the JAA CPL can do so for the modular CPL course (25 hours flying).
For example: OATS, BAe, Cabair and WMU are approved to do conduct the JAR ATPL course.
Professional Air Training, Multiflight etc. are not approved to conduct the approved ATPL course. Instead, they have approval to conduct each flying module. Both ways get you the same licence in the end.
[This message has been edited by TooHotToFly (edited 15 March 2001).]
For example: OATS, BAe, Cabair and WMU are approved to do conduct the JAR ATPL course.
Professional Air Training, Multiflight etc. are not approved to conduct the approved ATPL course. Instead, they have approval to conduct each flying module. Both ways get you the same licence in the end.
[This message has been edited by TooHotToFly (edited 15 March 2001).]
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Harves
WWW mentioned Karl O'Neil - I did his MCC course just before christmas and he had a jet job before the presents were even opened!
The place is nothing like it was at prestwick - we no longer have the ex-air force, big-fish-in-small-pond FIs who treated students like dirt. The atmosphere is great! I didn't want to move, but now I'm here I don't want to go back!
I can say what I did about the ex-RAF types because i am one (but I was a truckie not pointy jet type).
If you arrive in April - I'll see you for your MCC early 2002.
Good luck.
WWW mentioned Karl O'Neil - I did his MCC course just before christmas and he had a jet job before the presents were even opened!
The place is nothing like it was at prestwick - we no longer have the ex-air force, big-fish-in-small-pond FIs who treated students like dirt. The atmosphere is great! I didn't want to move, but now I'm here I don't want to go back!
I can say what I did about the ex-RAF types because i am one (but I was a truckie not pointy jet type).
If you arrive in April - I'll see you for your MCC early 2002.
Good luck.
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Tallking of BAE - is anyone going to have a look?
You all are talking about spending all this money but from the sound of it hardly any of you have visited any of the schools. Someone told me a while ago to visit them all and I did.
Make sure you stay a lot longer than the marketing people and chat to people. I did that at OATS and managed a chat with sponsored/self-sponsored/instructors and other staff. Gave me a good insight as did visitng the others.
I would think that WMU is a bit far to go but BAE is possible. I am intending going in the next month. Anyone fancy a trip to sunny spain. Reckon if we get 4 of us, fly to malaga on the cheapos and then rent a car. 3 hour drive to Jerez, look round the school, talk to the people and perhaps have drinks. Spend the next day sunning and then head back. All told with accomodation I reckon it can be had for under £175.
Before you all balk at the price remember you'll be shelling out £45,000 which makes £175 seem like pocket change. Also BAE has had good reviews here, so why not take a look!
If anyone is interested then drop me a line - I have just about worked out flights/car rental. Just need a friendly BAE student to tell me where to stay.
Costa del sol here we come!!
You all are talking about spending all this money but from the sound of it hardly any of you have visited any of the schools. Someone told me a while ago to visit them all and I did.
Make sure you stay a lot longer than the marketing people and chat to people. I did that at OATS and managed a chat with sponsored/self-sponsored/instructors and other staff. Gave me a good insight as did visitng the others.
I would think that WMU is a bit far to go but BAE is possible. I am intending going in the next month. Anyone fancy a trip to sunny spain. Reckon if we get 4 of us, fly to malaga on the cheapos and then rent a car. 3 hour drive to Jerez, look round the school, talk to the people and perhaps have drinks. Spend the next day sunning and then head back. All told with accomodation I reckon it can be had for under £175.
Before you all balk at the price remember you'll be shelling out £45,000 which makes £175 seem like pocket change. Also BAE has had good reviews here, so why not take a look!
If anyone is interested then drop me a line - I have just about worked out flights/car rental. Just need a friendly BAE student to tell me where to stay.
Costa del sol here we come!!
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Martin,
Quite right, I got my BAe contract through on Saturday and decided that I would do just that. I am going to go early April with contract and deposit in hand. By the way, if you didn't know, BUZZ start flying direct to Jerez from April and depending on days, you can get the return flight from £110.
My girlfriend will be coming with me to get the SP, so I will not be able to help in cost cutting (at least as far as accomodation goes).
Drop me a mail if I can be of help in any way.
Good Luck
Quite right, I got my BAe contract through on Saturday and decided that I would do just that. I am going to go early April with contract and deposit in hand. By the way, if you didn't know, BUZZ start flying direct to Jerez from April and depending on days, you can get the return flight from £110.
My girlfriend will be coming with me to get the SP, so I will not be able to help in cost cutting (at least as far as accomodation goes).
Drop me a mail if I can be of help in any way.
Good Luck
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This thread started with the question What is the story at OATS? Has anyone else read the other thread concerning the cancellation of a course with days to go until the start date.
The thread is extremely restrained, but I would be livid having handed in my notice to be told that I would have to start a month later.
Does anyone know any details on the reason behind this.
As a lot of you will gather, I still haven't signed a contract yet, but I get the feeling that this has finally decided me.
But I really would like to know the full story with OATS.
[This message has been edited by Harves (edited 26 March 2001).]
The thread is extremely restrained, but I would be livid having handed in my notice to be told that I would have to start a month later.
Does anyone know any details on the reason behind this.
As a lot of you will gather, I still haven't signed a contract yet, but I get the feeling that this has finally decided me.
But I really would like to know the full story with OATS.
[This message has been edited by Harves (edited 26 March 2001).]
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Any information about GJBs thread and mine would be helpful. Yes it would be interesting where the cut-off point would be. I think it would be the CPL flying course. Any idea what the cost would be if done this way?
Also whats OATS course 209??
Thanks
Tarmach.
Also whats OATS course 209??
Thanks
Tarmach.
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I have a PPL and OATS/JAR said that I could get a maximum of 40 hours deducted from my training (equating to about £2500). The amount deducted is determined by an instructor's assessment and hence is not guaranteed! With OATS, it does not shorten the course and so you still have to spend 3 sunny months in the US (bugger!)
