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ICAO CPL to EASA ATPL

Old 31st Jul 2019, 01:36
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ICAO CPL to EASA ATPL

Good morning/evening

I'm a pilot in Australia who finished their CPL, Multi Engine and Instrument rating in Australia and has been struggling to find the first job.
I completed my Aussie ATPL's in the meantime and was looking at going to Europe to find a job as a pilot as I have family and citizenship in France.

I've read up the general steps to do this are
1. Get the Class 1 Medical (for the country i decide to do my conversion in)
2. Complete the 14 EASA ATPL theory exams,
3. Conduct a CPL Flight test
4. Conduct an IR flight test
5. possible get MCC as many places possible employers do seem to ask for it.

I'm unsure which country I should conduct my conversion, obviously being in France i can save costs staying with family, but I'm ready to move to any location.

I've read up the general process but I am asking around to others who can share their experience so i can plan ahead before I decide to leave the land downunder.

Cheers
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 07:17
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Av got the exact same situation exept i have an FAA licence , waiting to see the answer to this
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 10:47
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Me too but I have an ICAO license.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 12:35
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Step 1 and 2 are correct.

If I am not mistaken you will have to do a conversion course with an FTO, as you don't have experience on any type etc.The conversion course than leads to doing a CPL / ME / IR skills test. I am not sure, but I believe you can in theory do all of that in one check, but get this confirmed by the CAA or/and an FTO.

MCC course is mandatory for low experience pilots with no Multi Crew experience.

However the best source of advice, would be to contact the CAA directly and get their exact legal requirement, instead of getting loads of "half truths" here on these forums. As the rules have been changing quite a lot over they years. So the only one who can give you the correct requirement is the CAA of any EASA country.
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 13:05
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It's all in cap804
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Old 3rd Aug 2019, 14:03
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Which is kind of out of date these days. If you want to do combined rides, ensure it is in the ATO's training manual. Otherwise you are best talking to a training organisation
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 10:48
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G'day Boris,

Where have you been looking for the first job in Australia?

Good to see you have French citizenship, that'll be useful post-Brexit... Can you speak the language? Pretty much all French companies will want at least Level 4 in French. You'll have English covered.
Workwise. There's some signs emerging that the aviation market for pilots is beginning to cool, esp for low houred pilots. Converting to an EASA licence is not cheap. I'd be budgeting Ł20-30,000. No, I am not kidding. It cost me $A50,000 18 years ago. (I held an Aussie ATPL).
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Old 4th Aug 2019, 13:39
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I have recently gone through the process. It was a minefield of complications. The hardest part of the whole process was dealing with all the bureaucracy. Harder than the exams.

I converted an ICAO ( South African) ATPL to an EASA ATPL. So a bit different.
1) Get a class 1 medical, I waited till the end of my exams, as did a bunch of mates and this is more time consuming than you imagine.
2) Register with the CAA and get your license verified and register with a ground school ( if you meet the requirements for an EASA ATPL you can be exempt from registration but you still have to write the 14 exams)
3) Attend some ground school and write exams.
4) Your practical training will depend on how much experience you have. Over a 1000 hrs may include as little as 5 hours. You will need to pass an English proficiency test ( what they don’t tell you and I found this out by accident , is that it can be done as part of your skills test.
5) mountain of paperwork ( more than you can possibly imagine) and wait and hope the CAA don’t mess it up. They cost me quite a few months of delays by messing up my paperwork.
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 06:09
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You might find the Irish a more user friendly experience
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Old 5th Aug 2019, 10:47
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Indeed, I can’t imagine the Irish could be any worse. Don’t get me wrong, I think the people at the UKCAA would like to help but they always seem so completely out of their depth. The law also has become so convoluted and confusing that you can ask 5 different people a question and 5 different interpretations.
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Old 1st Aug 2021, 10:14
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Dude 1: How long are our exams valid for when converting ICAO ATPL (yup good ol' SA) to EASA ATPL? I have a validation but it is in its second year and not sure that I can get it renewed for a subsequent year in order to get the reminder of 150 hours for the type rating I would like to add (Did the conversion course just pre-Covid so lost 7 months then lost my job), [using the undergoing training rule?]

Can I do a completely different and new type rating (not on my ICAO licence) and then do the skills test on that? Sadly most of my other types are obsolete or nearly obsolete.

I do have a vallidation of my licence which expires in 2022, do I only have until then to complete the skills test or can I do the skills test at a later stage?
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 08:37
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A validation can only be extended once, so when yours expires you won't be able to fly EASA aircraft. The EASA exams themselves are valid for 36 months.
As long as you have 500 hours multi crew you can get an EASA ATPL.

If you have 500 hours on a multi pilot type - all you need to do is the skills test on that type.

If you don't have those 500 hours on type (it sounds like you've only got 350?) then you'll need to do a full type rating course plus skills test.

So yes, you can do any new type and get your ATPL, but once your valuation runs out you won't be able to fly your current type any more without passing an EASA skill test on it and either (a) getting 500 hours on type or (b) doing the full type course.
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Old 2nd Aug 2021, 15:49
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EASA Conversion

First of all, You are not suppossed to get class 1 medical in the state that you wanna make your conversion. You may get class 1 in any EASA member state.
2. ATPL Theory: First You must get EASA Atpl theory course (650 hrs) to take official exams. (You may get your course and exams in any EASA member state)
3 and 4: First You must get approved conversion refresher training from an EASA ATO then You can go for skill test.
5. MCC is optional additional course anyway
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