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CAA advice for student pilots (EU Exit)

Old 12th Nov 2018, 16:40
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CAA advice for student pilots (EU Exit)

Got a notification email about this. The CAA have added a new note to their EU Exit microsite:

"Students undertaking training and examinations for an EASA Part-FCL Licence

Should no deal be agreed between the EU and the UK, existing training organisation approvals and/or declarations would remain valid under UK law.

Where a Competent Authority other than the CAA would be the State of Licence issue, the European Commission has said that it would not recognise training courses conducted by UK-issued approved or declared training organisations where training for a licence, rating or certificate is completed after 29 March 2019.

However, EASA has said that it would accept third country applications from UK Approved Training Organisations, and such organisations may need to decide whether, in a non-negotiated withdrawal, they wish to retain both a national and also seek an EASA approval.

Therefore, students undertaking or considering commencing a course of theoretical knowledge or flight training for a pilot’s licence, rating or certificate are recommended to approach their current or potential future training provider to establish what approvals the organisation currently holds and what additional approvals it intends to seek in the event of non-negotiated withdrawal. This should assist them in determining how best to achieve their own personal training aims.

The CAA intends to continue to recognise current (and valid) EASA certificates and declarations for an initial period of up to two years, but no decision has been made about ongoing validity after this period."

Now someone will have to correct me if I'm wrong here, because as usual the use of double-negatives makes it a little difficult to understand. However my summary from this:

If you're training for an EASA Part-FCL licence but not intending to be finished by 29 March 2019 (as is my situation), then under a no-deal Brexit EASA will not recognise your training if it was conducted by a UK CAA ATO unless they have subsequently applied for and received approval to continue providing EASA approved training courses. Therefore you should discuss this with your ATO to determine whether you would be happy training only for a UK licence (i.e. no longer an EASA licence), or whether to train under an ATO which will still be EASA approved for Part-FCL courses post-March 2019.

Alternatively of course, a deal might be negotiated, in which case the UK CAA may be able to continue training students toward an EASA Part-FCL licence for a set period of time.

Have I understood this right?

Ta - RR.

Source: https://info.caa.co.uk/eu-exit/student-pilots/

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Talk about contradictory - I know of an ATO that is registering abroad and they have been told by the Chief Examiner of the relevant department (in the CAA) that they would be stripped of all their UK ratings and authorisations.

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Have I understood this right?
Pretty much, yes.

Assuming that no agreement is reached and the UK leaves the EU on 29 March 2019, it immediately becomes a 'third country' in EU law. Consequently, the UK CAA will not be able to issue any EU licences, ratings or certificates and all approvals issued under EU law by the UK cease to be valid. Training completed up to midnight on 29 March will remain valid for the issue of EU licences, ratings and certificates but any incomplete training will have to be completed in an EU member state and the relevant licence, rating or certificate issued by such a state. Existing licences issued by the UK CAA prior to 29 March will remain valid in all respects as UK national licences or, if the holders medical records have been transferred to an EU member state, as EU licences.

The worst affected will be those pilots wishing to fly for an operator established, residing or with a principal place of business in the EU. Generally speaking, a UK-licensed pilot flying a UK-registered aeroplane will not be seriously inconvenienced unless, of course, the operator of that aeroplane is based within the EU.

An ATO may be approved by only one EU member state. If, prior to 29 March, an ATO choses to seek approval from another member state, it is a matter of EU law that all existing approvals issued by the UK must be revoked. The same is true in the case of examiner certification, which must be transferred to the other EU member state. EU licences, ratings and certificates issued in the UK, other than examiner certificates, will continue to be valid until 29 March, at which point they cease to be recognised in EU law. If the medical records of ATO personnel are transferred to the approving EU member state prior to 29 March, the associated licences will continue to be recognised by the UK CAA for at least 2 years - a significantly more pragmatic attitude than that being shown by the EU.
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