Male Orientated Industry
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I have already posted this thread in the the Wannabees thread but incase it gets missed.
Following an interesting discussion (i use the word discussion lightly) with a well known airline FO, someone I chose not to name (they may read PPrune), I would be interested in knowing how many of the Wannabes are female.
I appreciate that aviation is a male orientated industry but having female friends interested in flying and some doing their ATPL's, I believed that the ratio of men to women Captains/FO was reducing.....
Is it????????????
Following an interesting discussion (i use the word discussion lightly) with a well known airline FO, someone I chose not to name (they may read PPrune), I would be interested in knowing how many of the Wannabes are female.
I appreciate that aviation is a male orientated industry but having female friends interested in flying and some doing their ATPL's, I believed that the ratio of men to women Captains/FO was reducing.....
Is it????????????
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Here is the statistics
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...ofessional.pdf
I must say though when i was at OAT for the brush up there were alot better ratio than that doing the full time courses. But it 100% male on the modular course.
MJ
[This message has been edited by mad_jock (edited 19 June 2001).]
http://www.srg.caa.co.uk/documents/s...ofessional.pdf
I must say though when i was at OAT for the brush up there were alot better ratio than that doing the full time courses. But it 100% male on the modular course.
MJ
[This message has been edited by mad_jock (edited 19 June 2001).]
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Here's another way to look at it, ATCNightmare: Instead of relying on statistics and numbers to decide what a person should or shouldn't do, why not let that person's interest and desires take precedence? The present "numbers data" shouldn't dictate one's future.
Case in point: when I began my professional flying career 17 years ago, there were very few female pilots in the USAF. Percentages were very low. I was the only woman in my pilot training class (out of 64 ... again a very low percentage). But it didn't matter. The instructors didn't differentiate me from the rest of the group -- the only thing they cared about was: 1) how hard was I working, and 2) did I meet the standards. Sometimes I felt like I had to work a bit harder than my classmates, but that was probably due more to personal pride than anything else.
Through the years, I've seen again and again that hard work and high job performance is what determines success in this career field, male and female alike.
People can wind themselves up over numbers, but the bottom line is this: the career field is open to men and women, and it's up to the individual to work hard to succeed in it.
Case in point: when I began my professional flying career 17 years ago, there were very few female pilots in the USAF. Percentages were very low. I was the only woman in my pilot training class (out of 64 ... again a very low percentage). But it didn't matter. The instructors didn't differentiate me from the rest of the group -- the only thing they cared about was: 1) how hard was I working, and 2) did I meet the standards. Sometimes I felt like I had to work a bit harder than my classmates, but that was probably due more to personal pride than anything else.
Through the years, I've seen again and again that hard work and high job performance is what determines success in this career field, male and female alike.
People can wind themselves up over numbers, but the bottom line is this: the career field is open to men and women, and it's up to the individual to work hard to succeed in it.
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That is exactly how I see it and the number ration means absolutely nothing with regards to whether I fly or not!!!! Sadly though as I found out during a conversation earlier not ALL captains feel the same and by all rights neither do all airlines. (namely those with culture issues)
Anyway its not a lofe threatening statistic I was just generally interested to know.
Anyway its not a lofe threatening statistic I was just generally interested to know.
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Personally I have nothing against female pilots BUT I see alot of them making progress with their eyelids, if you get my drift.
Where I work the entrance requirements were 1000hrs. The only female on the last course had less. What was she doing there?
Incidentally, while you're talking statistics, that thread recently about accidents and gender. Might not be such a good idea having girls up front.
Statistics are as the lamp-post to the drunk. More for support than illumination!
Where I work the entrance requirements were 1000hrs. The only female on the last course had less. What was she doing there?
Incidentally, while you're talking statistics, that thread recently about accidents and gender. Might not be such a good idea having girls up front.
Statistics are as the lamp-post to the drunk. More for support than illumination!
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Please ATC
I hope you don't get me wrong.
I am one of the new generation of engineers who have actually realised that women are a bonus. In my limited experence in industry I have nothing but good to say about them. Out of my BEng course all bar 1 got a first class honours (5 out of 75) through alot of bloody hard work and i don't think they got any favours.
And in my experence i would much prefer a female project leader than a male because of attention to detail and sheer bloody mindness with dick heads. The only bad point would be if there were 2 or more on the same team but that is a different debate.
I may sometimes come across as a sexist tosser, but all the women in my life are profesionals in their own right and as individuals have my respect as such.
MJ
(who can't stand intelligent birds playing thick)
I hope you don't get me wrong.
I am one of the new generation of engineers who have actually realised that women are a bonus. In my limited experence in industry I have nothing but good to say about them. Out of my BEng course all bar 1 got a first class honours (5 out of 75) through alot of bloody hard work and i don't think they got any favours.
And in my experence i would much prefer a female project leader than a male because of attention to detail and sheer bloody mindness with dick heads. The only bad point would be if there were 2 or more on the same team but that is a different debate.
I may sometimes come across as a sexist tosser, but all the women in my life are profesionals in their own right and as individuals have my respect as such.
MJ
(who can't stand intelligent birds playing thick)
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MJ
Whoops - think were crossing wires! I meant my comment in a good way - you know... that I am impressed by how you have the answer to so many posts or your giving advice on different issues - definitely not implying your sexist just helpful!!. Sorry if you thought I was.
Whoops - think were crossing wires! I meant my comment in a good way - you know... that I am impressed by how you have the answer to so many posts or your giving advice on different issues - definitely not implying your sexist just helpful!!. Sorry if you thought I was.
