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Class 1 Medical rules?

Old 22nd Oct 2018, 16:38
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
Thanks AngelsTen! Can you tell me which AME you went to? I'm guessing he's able to revalidate Class 1's but not able to do an initial Class 1? Or did you go to an AeMC?
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 16:53
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Is a Class 1 medical really something to be worried about?

I hadn't given it a second thought before reading this thread.

I'm in reasonable health, though perhaps not as healthy as I could be. I don't have any sight/ hearing problems and am a pretty avid hiker. That said, I'm not as slim as I could be (though still in the normal BMI range) and I'm pretty nonathletic.

I'm planning on getting my medical in Poland. Good information about the military centre, as I am planning to get my medical there...
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Old 22nd Oct 2018, 21:14
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Thanks for the PM! Replied!

RedDragonFlyer, I suspect you're more fit than I am. I do manage a good number of steps during the day while at work but I've had to admit to myself that I'm a comfort eater and it has shown over the years. My BMI is on the higher side and because of that, or because of the work I'm in, I'm on the borderline on some aspects of the Class 1 medical. Having to drive 4-5 hours to London and spend 500+ on an initial Class 1, I'd like to be more secure about my ability to deal with any concerns they might have over my health.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 08:16
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
Thanks for the PM! Replied!

RedDragonFlyer, I suspect you're more fit than I am. I do manage a good number of steps during the day while at work but I've had to admit to myself that I'm a comfort eater and it has shown over the years. My BMI is on the higher side and because of that, or because of the work I'm in, I'm on the borderline on some aspects of the Class 1 medical. Having to drive 4-5 hours to London and spend 500+ on an initial Class 1, I'd like to be more secure about my ability to deal with any concerns they might have over my health.
The AME will always try and work with you to get your class 1 issued. If its BMI that you are worried about the process is rather simple. over 25 and below 35 they will just tell you to lose weight. Over 35 they will refer you to a cardiologist for a "stress" test which is basically an ECG while you are walking on a treadmill through certain degrees of difficulty, you need to do a minimum of 9 minutes to pass. You will also need to do a medical flight test which just means booking a flight at a local school and doing a few circuits with a flight instructor/examiner to confirm you can use the controls freely and properly. The extra expense will be around another 650 (cardiologist and flight test) but upon completion of those you'll be issued with your unrestricted class 1.

I would just get on and book it, as nobody here will know exactly what issues you may have.
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Old 23rd Oct 2018, 21:56
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I'm under 35 on the BMI, so that's not an issue. It's other aspects that I'm at or a little past the borderline. For example, the blood pressure should be below 140/90 and I'm at 148/95 without medication, things like that. I guess I should really just bite the bullet and take the medical, but like I said, the time, effort, and cost to get one only to fail.... I'd like to have a bit more confidence in passing it or being able to address any concerns and come out with a pass.

What happens if they're not happy with certain aspects of my health? Is it a "fail" and "come back to us when you're sorted" and I'm stuck looking at another 500+ payment for another medical?
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:13
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Originally Posted by Nurse2Pilot View Post
I'm under 35 on the BMI, so that's not an issue. It's other aspects that I'm at or a little past the borderline. For example, the blood pressure should be below 140/90 and I'm at 148/95 without medication, things like that. I guess I should really just bite the bullet and take the medical, but like I said, the time, effort, and cost to get one only to fail.... I'd like to have a bit more confidence in passing it or being able to address any concerns and come out with a pass.

What happens if they're not happy with certain aspects of my health? Is it a "fail" and "come back to us when you're sorted" and I'm stuck looking at another 500+ payment for another medical?

No, that's not how it works. Any further costs will be for additional testing/referrals but you wont have to start the whole process again. They'll do all the tests, afterwards the doctor will discuss the whole thing and advise you on what you passed, what you need to be monitoring and what requires further investigation. Quite a few medicals can't be issued on the same day for various reasons but usually do so after a little further testing. I've spoken to people who have been referred after their ECG looked a little suspect which turned out they just needed to shave their chest.

If you go to Pilotcareerslive at Heathrow next weekend, there will be an AME attending (from Gatwick I think) and be able to answer your questions.
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Old 24th Oct 2018, 08:29
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I've spoken to people who have been referred after their ECG looked a little suspect which turned out they just needed to shave their chest.

If you go to Pilotcareerslive at Heathrow next weekend, there will be an AME attending (from Gatwick I think) and be able to answer your questions.
I am indeed going! It is stories like this that makes me worry more! Like I said in another post, one guy was told he couldn't fly because of his eyesight, but nobody told him he could've gone to any opticians, gotten glasses or contact lenses, gotten re-tested, and would've passed his Class 1! It was only after he told his story to his flight school that his instructors told him of the "fix!"
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 05:27
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The eyesight story sounds bizarre. Was he fit to drive a car without corrective vision?

The answer to a lot of people's bp issues is simply weight reduction. A pound or two a week is probably the most beneficial way. The harder part is then to keep it under control. Being a nurse you know all this anyway........

And having achieved licence issue, you need to impress the perspective employer that you, as an older chap, you are worth investing in. Those in the region of their mid 20's might be regarded by some as the ideal age for their first airline job.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 18:38
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I know it sounds bizarre but that story was told to me in front of 2 or 3 other instructors and there was no reaction from them to indicate that the guy telling the story was fibbing or exaggerating, so I can really only go by that.

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you need to impress the perspective employer that you, as an older chap, you are worth investing in. Those in the region of their mid 20's might be regarded by some as the ideal age for their first airline job.
I'm getting mixed signals here as well. Some people would say that older chaps are better than younger, bright-eyed applicants because the older chaps have "seen the world" more and perhaps less idealistic maybe than a young pilot?

Wasn't really working on the BP issue, was going to the gym to lose weight anyway so killing two birds with one stone here! Might get significant fuel savings later on during hour-building time too!
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 21:38
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Apart from the interview, the simulator assessment will determine whether you are offered employment.
The outcome of the MCC course will be a good indicator as to whether it was money well spent.
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Old 25th Oct 2018, 21:51
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Sorry but I don't understand how that ties in with what we were discussiong previously?
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 01:43
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Firstly, I don't live in Europe/UK... I'm UTC+13, so YMMV etc

I think they were trying to point out that in most cases, the "ability" of the applicant (as shown through the Sim) seems to be the overriding factor as to whether or not said applicant is successful... "Age" is probably less of a factor than you think.

Regarding age, I got my CPL when I was 35 and I just got my first twin turboprop job a couple of months back... Started the ground course a week before my 43rd birthday.

Experience wise... I had around 600 hrs in GA and 1000 hrs in the RHS of a Cessna Caravan with Susi Air. (1950+ TT). Prior to my interview at the beginning of August, I hadn't flown commercially since 2016. I'd been "self funding" currency by going for the odd jolly in a 172 and doing my yearly Single Pilot MEIR (Partenavia and Duchess) renewals while knocking on doors and sending CVs etc.

While my previous flying experience definitely helped (CTO/ATO + turboprop time etc), part of the feedback I got was that my "life experience" and maturity also played a part in getting that "congratulations" phone call (and of course, a satisfactory Sim session)

As for the medical, my advice is to just do it. Book the medical and go. You're not going to get anything close to an accurate assessment of your ability to gain a Class 1 medical from an online forum. Only a qualified (D)AME will be able to do that. Also, the cost involved is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall costs involved with gaining a pilot licence.

Generally, if the doc has any concerns with something (and it isn't an outright showstopper like Diabetes), they'll discuss it with you and make recommendations to help you rectify it. They're not there to try and fail you. At least, none of the (D)AMEs I've ever used have...
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Old 26th Oct 2018, 07:04
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As for the medical, my advice is to just do it. Book the medical and go. You're not going to get anything close to an accurate assessment of your ability to gain a Class 1 medical from an online forum. Only a qualified (D)AME will be able to do that. Also, the cost involved is a drop in the ocean compared to the overall costs involved with gaining a pilot licence.
Agreed entirely....as has been said a few times there’s a need to bite the bullet and take the medical....somewhere.......anywhere...then deal with the results. Discussing anything else (sim assessments, recruitment vs. age etc) is frankly pointless until the medical situation has been established.

To borrow a phrase - just do it.
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Old 27th Oct 2018, 13:20
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Thanks for the replies, guys! I got an initial booking now but will need to swap around shifts to make this happen. Thankfully, the event next weekend will allow me to visit the AeMC prior to the medical so at least I'll be more familiar with the area come actual medical day/date so hopefully that will be one less stressor on my mind.
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