New Jeppesen Route Manual
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New Jeppesen Route Manual
Hi All
Has anyone been able to compare the E(Lo) charts between the old Route manual and the new one?
Can we use the charts of the old one for the Gnav exam after the 1st of September ?
If not, could someone tell me if I can buy the charts only and not the whole route manual as I only need to sit Gnav exam
Has anyone been able to compare the E(Lo) charts between the old Route manual and the new one?
Can we use the charts of the old one for the Gnav exam after the 1st of September ?
If not, could someone tell me if I can buy the charts only and not the whole route manual as I only need to sit Gnav exam
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From: White Waltham, Prestwick & Calgary
I recognise one or two from Australia, but in theory any graph from any publication may now be used in a question. Fortunately most question writers try to stick to the CAPs but these are unique to the CAA who have graciously allowed them to be used.
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From: England
You are dealing largely here with ab-initio students who have probably never seen a flying related graph or table in their lives when they begin ATPL groundschool.
They have enough difficulty mastering the content of the existing CAPs 696/697/698. There is more than sufficient content here to generate the required exam questions.
Seeing another type of graph/table IN EXAMINATION CONDITIONS for the very first time is grossly unfair.
I have clearly made the right decision in recently resigning as a TKI; the system is now beginning to stink.
Does the CAA/EASA have an agenda to cause students to fail or reduce scores?
If so, have the guts to admit it!!
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From: Sunny Solihull
Stanley
Cash Again & Again (UK CAA) have always reserved the right to use other publications in addition to CAPs but rarely do. I have been a TKI for 20 years including transferring from CAA to JAA then EASA and understand your frustration & agree with your comments. Unfortunately the system has stunk for years and it doesn't get any better, it's a licence to print money asking poor, irrelevant, totally out of date questions that does nothing to improve flight safety.
It will be interesting to see how the new Jeppesen questions are introduced in a couple of weeks as every time they introduce new material there is screw up (but it's not their fault of course).
Cash Again & Again (UK CAA) have always reserved the right to use other publications in addition to CAPs but rarely do. I have been a TKI for 20 years including transferring from CAA to JAA then EASA and understand your frustration & agree with your comments. Unfortunately the system has stunk for years and it doesn't get any better, it's a licence to print money asking poor, irrelevant, totally out of date questions that does nothing to improve flight safety.
It will be interesting to see how the new Jeppesen questions are introduced in a couple of weeks as every time they introduce new material there is screw up (but it's not their fault of course).
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Actually, I tend to agree with it to a certain extent. Transport Canada's stance is that a professional in a charter fight situation should be able to get to grips with graphs quickly, while acknowledging that there might be a certain amount of familiarity from type rating courses, but I agree with the principle, especially when there are no type ratings for light fixed wing aircraft. After all, a graph is a graph to a certain extent - the essential point is knowing what the graph is helping you achieve, rather than treating the graph as an end in itself. I don't see a big problem as long as the graphs concerned are based on general principles and the students are trained properly.
But I agree with Richard about the questions. Just don't get me started.....
But I agree with Richard about the questions. Just don't get me started.....
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From: England
We`re not dealing with `professionals` are we?
We`re dealing with young inexperienced students who may have `zero hours` of flying experience who already find the existing CAPs a sufficient challenge/hurdle.
Let`s give them a chance instead of creating obstacles designed to help them fail.
With further experience, then yes they could cope with interpreting new graphs/tables. Until then let`s stick to the existing course materials which are more than suitable for creating a fair exam.
