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Old 12th Mar 2017, 22:24
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Flight Training

Finally passed those ATPLs, that was hard!

Got not a lot of hours and want to try and get all licences this year, I am proposing while at weekends to start with to do the following:

1) IRR on PPL (as this will save me 10hrs come IR time (I believe) and I have done zero flying in the last year and get me back upto speed).
2) Hr Build to get me to 175 hrs, this should hopefully be at a better standard as will have done IRR
3) CPL course, '2 weeks'
4) IR f/t maybe 6 weeks, will probably bin job before when I go for this as do contract work and can find a new one once IR and MCC/JOC complete

Does this sound a good idea, feasible. Any pitfalls?

Many thanks!
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Any idea where you want to do that?
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Hi yes, in the UK, got family so going away for 9 weeks in Sweden or wherever not really an option for me (if I want to keep the wife)......
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You might not want to once you've been to Sweden!
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Yes, I am due an upgrade, aviation and families dont mix that well as I am finding out.....anyway back to my original post
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You might want to consider doing the IRR then a spot of instrument hour building. The CBIR should be they most economical route, 10 hours I think.
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What is instrument hr building exactly? CBIR?
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can you only do it at certain places?
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Hi Dream2Jet,

Where did you do your ATPLs's? Was it Integrated or Modular? Any tips for people about to start?

You looking at Bartolini for your flying? I have only heard good things about them.
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CBIR

Hey Dream2Jet

I know someone doing the CBIR route, my understanding is that essentially you can credit up to 30 hours of Insturment experience towards the CBIR. The final 10 hours is completed at an ATO along with the practical test.

For holders of an UK IR (Restricted) formely known as the IMC Rating:

When the applicant has completed instrument flight instruction provided by an IRI(A) or an FI(A) holding the privilege to provide training for the IR; or
Holds prior flight time under IFR as PIC on aeroplanes, under a rating providing the privileges to fly under IFR and in IMC-these hours may be credited towards the 40 hours above up to maximum of 30 hours,
I'm fairly certain as well that a minimum of 25 hours of the Instrument time has to be dual instruction.

If you have access to an IR capable aircraft at a reasonable rate and an instructor willing to teach on it it can be a money saving route.

It is something I am planning to do myself long term.

Hope that helps.
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Thanks for info, will give it a bash IRR, as not flown in a year really so very rusty and this should get me ready for hour building etc for quality not quantity.

@Kevin31 ATPLs I would recommend Caledonian Advanced Pilot Training - Quality Training For Safer Pilots
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Once you've got your IRR you're legal to fly a bit of IFR ocas - either IMC if you're confident, or with a safety pilot. Do that during your hour building and you can finish off with a 10 hour CBIR.
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And if it's any use, I know where there is a Frasca 142 you can use for getting your instrument flying up to scratch, and have an IRE mentor/instruct you. So although you would do the 30 hours "box-ticking" during your hour building, you could really get yourself up to scratch using the sim with an IRE giving you a grilling. Then when you turn up at an ATO, you should have a decent idea what you're doing, and not paying £160+/hr to get up to speed.
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