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Telemex,
If presbycusis is unable to tell you 'for which reason' 5 Flying Instuctors have been 'forced' to leave WMU I will enlighten you.
All 5 were suspended on the 10th January 2002, pending an investigation, which was to be conducted by the Office of Institutional Equity within Western Michigan University.
The following day the Dean of the Aviation College was suspended from duty until September 2002, for medical reasons, following which he would retire.
Following the internal investigation, one of the 5, The Head of Training, was offered reinstatment, with demotion, within IPTC (International Pilot Training College). He was offered the CFI's position, a Flying Instructor's position or a Ground Instructor's position.
The remaining 4 Instructors were told, folllowing the internal investigation, that they were to be 'terminated'. All 4 requested their attorney to inform the University that they would not accept being 'terminated' unless they were given a reason for the termination. None was given nor proven.
Whilst this process of communication was taking place one of the Flying Instructors elected to accept an offer from elsewhere and offered to resign from IPTC.
The three remaining Instructors were informed by Western Michigan University that they had a deadline by which they were expected to resign. All three refused to resign as they had not been accused of any wrongdoing.
The remaining three Instructors have not had their annual contracts renewed, 1 July 2002. All three have been forced to leave IPTC.
One of the reasons for the investigation to be conducted was that there were accusations by students, staff and outside people that the staff at IPTC were treating 'minority groups' in a different way to European cadets.
This is quite untrue. Members of staff within the college were expected to lower the standards, by management, such that minority group students could 'pass' the internal written and FAA flight renewal examinations. The standards, whether they were FAA or JAA, were upheld by the suspended staff.
Western Michigan University, under it's present African American president, pursues a policy of 'Affirmative Action'. Affirmative Action is a series of executive orders and laws designed to correct the current effects of past discrimination.
If presbycusis is unable to tell you 'for which reason' 5 Flying Instuctors have been 'forced' to leave WMU I will enlighten you.
All 5 were suspended on the 10th January 2002, pending an investigation, which was to be conducted by the Office of Institutional Equity within Western Michigan University.
The following day the Dean of the Aviation College was suspended from duty until September 2002, for medical reasons, following which he would retire.
Following the internal investigation, one of the 5, The Head of Training, was offered reinstatment, with demotion, within IPTC (International Pilot Training College). He was offered the CFI's position, a Flying Instructor's position or a Ground Instructor's position.
The remaining 4 Instructors were told, folllowing the internal investigation, that they were to be 'terminated'. All 4 requested their attorney to inform the University that they would not accept being 'terminated' unless they were given a reason for the termination. None was given nor proven.
Whilst this process of communication was taking place one of the Flying Instructors elected to accept an offer from elsewhere and offered to resign from IPTC.
The three remaining Instructors were informed by Western Michigan University that they had a deadline by which they were expected to resign. All three refused to resign as they had not been accused of any wrongdoing.
The remaining three Instructors have not had their annual contracts renewed, 1 July 2002. All three have been forced to leave IPTC.
One of the reasons for the investigation to be conducted was that there were accusations by students, staff and outside people that the staff at IPTC were treating 'minority groups' in a different way to European cadets.
This is quite untrue. Members of staff within the college were expected to lower the standards, by management, such that minority group students could 'pass' the internal written and FAA flight renewal examinations. The standards, whether they were FAA or JAA, were upheld by the suspended staff.
Western Michigan University, under it's present African American president, pursues a policy of 'Affirmative Action'. Affirmative Action is a series of executive orders and laws designed to correct the current effects of past discrimination.
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Ted, thankyou for the enlightening response. Having followed this forum and particularly this topic, it is only now that the real facts are beginning to surface. It is now i that i choose to add:
The whole idea of a public forum is for various people to share with others what they've heard from within the industry. It seems as though upto now, every posting as been pounced on by presbycusis and literally told to button their lip. Presuming he is a WMU employee, he should keep it that way instead of playing the moderator of this forum. Let people have their say, and for goodness' sake, let people spread the rumours they have heard. This is what PPRUNE is for!!
The whole idea of a public forum is for various people to share with others what they've heard from within the industry. It seems as though upto now, every posting as been pounced on by presbycusis and literally told to button their lip. Presuming he is a WMU employee, he should keep it that way instead of playing the moderator of this forum. Let people have their say, and for goodness' sake, let people spread the rumours they have heard. This is what PPRUNE is for!!
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Windowlicker,
" Let people have their say ..."
Absolutely right, that is the point of pprune after all
" and for goodness' sake, let people spread the rumours they have heard"
Rumours are useful as long as they have some basis, as soon as they are based purely on conjecture, don't they cease to benefit?
Just trying to find something useful to read
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" Let people have their say ..."
Absolutely right, that is the point of pprune after all
" and for goodness' sake, let people spread the rumours they have heard"
Rumours are useful as long as they have some basis, as soon as they are based purely on conjecture, don't they cease to benefit?
Just trying to find something useful to read
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What a peculiar affair! Surely the instructors were told why they were being suspended. This must have come out when they or their attorney saw the accusers - American justice and all that sort of thing. If they were not told what they were guilty of why were they asked to resign?If all of this took place in January why has it taken so long to come to light? The questions are stacking up! Have the instructors who resigned? been sacked? quit? been replaced?
If not this would square up with the statement on the WMU we site - basically they are not interested in JAA.
Presby I can understand your reluctance to go along with this as it does not show WMU in a good light.
If not this would square up with the statement on the WMU we site - basically they are not interested in JAA.
Presby I can understand your reluctance to go along with this as it does not show WMU in a good light.
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Windowlicker:
er........... I don't recall telling anyone to button their lips, neither do I act like a moderator. My posts were exactly as stated - corrections of errors of fact.
As for not saying much on the subject, the way things were handled in January if I say too much on here then I'm likely to be next and I have a family to support thank-you.
telemex, believe it or not nothing specific was alleged, only broad allegations. Contracts here are renewable annually and if the University so wishes, it can simply inform individuals that their contract will not be renewed on 1 July and they have no obligation to give a reason. So go figure what happened to those suspended.
er........... I don't recall telling anyone to button their lips, neither do I act like a moderator. My posts were exactly as stated - corrections of errors of fact.
As for not saying much on the subject, the way things were handled in January if I say too much on here then I'm likely to be next and I have a family to support thank-you.
telemex, believe it or not nothing specific was alleged, only broad allegations. Contracts here are renewable annually and if the University so wishes, it can simply inform individuals that their contract will not be renewed on 1 July and they have no obligation to give a reason. So go figure what happened to those suspended.
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Who would want to go to Michigan anyhow - unless your sponsor was putting you there.
I hear it gets colder up there than England and the snow is more than plentiful in the winter!
Might as well stay in the homeland.
I hear it gets colder up there than England and the snow is more than plentiful in the winter!
Might as well stay in the homeland.
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Yup, the facts are it gets colder here than in England - but only in the Winter! The rest of the time it's much warmer and drier (and so it should be, we're at a similar latitude to Madrid)! I'll agree, however, that the novelty of much snow soon wears off!!
I'm probably in trouble now for posting a none wannabe related post!
I'm probably in trouble now for posting a none wannabe related post!
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RUMOURS - SHMOOMERS !!!!!!
Rumours are all very well, but I AM one of those ******ed people who was signed up and all ready to go to WMU in October, and only received and e-mail from them YESTERDAY to tell me it's all off !!!!
So, can anyone please tell me what this talk of re-starting in early 2003 is? i.e. is it all a load more of these stalling tactics to keep us strung alone, or will it happen?
I so, I'll hold out, cos I've done my reserch like any of you and it is by far the best school for me.
By the way I've spoken to the school, and it's out of their hands, I will talk to the Dean on Monday, but expect a load of hollow promisses.
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE INSIDE LINE ON THE WMU FUTURE?
PLEASE!!!!
Rumours are all very well, but I AM one of those ******ed people who was signed up and all ready to go to WMU in October, and only received and e-mail from them YESTERDAY to tell me it's all off !!!!
So, can anyone please tell me what this talk of re-starting in early 2003 is? i.e. is it all a load more of these stalling tactics to keep us strung alone, or will it happen?
I so, I'll hold out, cos I've done my reserch like any of you and it is by far the best school for me.
By the way I've spoken to the school, and it's out of their hands, I will talk to the Dean on Monday, but expect a load of hollow promisses.
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE INSIDE LINE ON THE WMU FUTURE?
PLEASE!!!!
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Just a humble student here so no oracle on its future, but e-mail me if you want the insider's view, warts 'n all.
And don't fall for those hollow promises! (You wouldn't be the first.....)
And don't fall for those hollow promises! (You wouldn't be the first.....)
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More rumours from WMU - instructors given 60 days' notice?
What's going on? Is the war finally over for RAF Battle Creek???
Over to you, Squadron Leader Presby.....
What's going on? Is the war finally over for RAF Battle Creek???
Over to you, Squadron Leader Presby.....
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Just like any other large FTO these days gamekeeper. A "restructuring" going on and some reductions to be announced. People will be given a minimum of 60 days notice. That's all you're getting from me for now - I have a resume to update!
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I have not heard..
of any of this recently.
I graduated in April of this year from WMU.
Their webpage is at http://www.wmich.edu/aviation/
for more information
I graduated in April of this year from WMU.
Their webpage is at http://www.wmich.edu/aviation/
for more information
