100 hours twin for just $5495.00????

[Pilot Pete]

JAR's FAR's, whatever.

If you intend to log these twin hours and come back to the UK to seek employment with a UK operator just ask yourself this question;

I have to pass the interview to be offered the sim ride where I can impress them to hell with my flying ability. One question that is absolutely, positvely, definately going to be asked of you at interview is where did you get your twin hours. If you have 1000 from flying air taxi you have no problem. If you have 100 out of a total time of less than 500 and they were all bought in the US whilst you were acting as 'second pilot' and not actually flying the thing then you may have a hard time convincing them of your merits. Rightly or wrongly the interviewer is UK based and most probably biased against this practice. Do you want to get the chance to sim test or not?

Better spending you money on an instructor rating and then teach, go para-dropping etc to get some 'commercial' flying under the belt and keep pestering the school if they have twins, they may let you position them for maintenance etc etc and then you'll be getting the odd twin hour here and there. Make contact with the air taxi outfits and keep in touch with them personally, right place, right time and all that.

Good luck, think hard before parting with the greenbacks!

PP

[Jetavia]

I have a friend who went there .. he nearly got all the hours he wanted (got a refund for the hours not flown) and left happy .. although there was some time wasted waiting for aircraft coming out of maintenance .. plan to fly evenings and at night then there should be no problem getting 6-8 hours in a day .. but plan to use 1½ month to fly 100h you can choose to buy sole PIC at $ 110/hour or just log the 50 hours where you are PIC and use the rightseat time to get some experience reading maps etc.

[MAX]

Employers wont even sniff at 100hrs twin at the moment. Ive seen some pretty bl**dy impressive cv's come across my work recently. Save your cash and wait a bit.

MAX <img src="cool.gif" border="0">

[slim_slag]

Slappy

The only time the FAA allows two pilots to log P1 time is in the case of a non-instrument rated pilot receiving Instrument Instruction for the attainment of his Instrument rating in actual IMC conditions by a certified Instrument flight instructor under an Instrument flight plan filed in the name of the said Instructor.

Not true under FAA regs.

<a href="http://www.awp.faa.gov/new/fsdo/art_pilot.htm" target="_blank">Logging PIC - FAA web site</a>

[quote]. .Normally, a safety pilot, required by regulations, who scans for traffic for a pilot flying under simulated instrument conditions is not pilot-in-command and thus logs second-in-command. However, if the two pilots agree that the safety pilot is designated pilot-in-command, the safety pilot/pilot-in-command may log PIC since he is the pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft. The pilot flying is "sole manipulator of the controls for which the pilot is rated"" and may also log PIC. Therefore, two private pilots may log PIC under these conditions.. .<hr></blockquote>

This happens all the time.

I've heard of operations with three logging PIC.

Sole manipulator of controls under hood - LHS. .Legal PIC & safety pilot - RHS.. .CFII giving 'instruction' - Back Seat

[Megaton]

Slim_Slag

Thank you. I had looked high and low for those words. Whether or not it's ethical is another question altogether.

[apple]

well said that man

[jmore]

it never fails to amuse me! the snobbery that you jar boys have -as an faa certified pilot i see many hour builders show up in the usa with their caa/jar licenses and have to spend 20 hours flying with an instructor just to be safely signed off (rarely have i heard an instructor in the uk complain about faa licensed guys) the fact that you actually defend a system that is set up so that only the wealthy can make it makes me ill-it is perfectly legit to fly 2 pilot ops if one is making it all simulated instrument -how else do expect him to look for traffic! and your remarks about having a midnight slot? who cares if your under the hood you dont see anything anyway! lazy ******s the lot of ya,its no wonder the airlines pay better here!

[Polar_stereographic]

jmore,. .. .Good night in the bar?

[IRRenewal]

seen the advert from Denim Air on the Flight International web site for First Officers?. .. .They require 100 hours multi if flown in Europe or 300 hours multi if flown elsewhere.. .. .They know what the score is in the US......

[lock wire]

Here's a foot note to this discussion which some might find interesting. I have a copy of a letter from the FAA which is a response to a question an FAA-designated examiner posed here in Southern California (the regs being commonly interpreted differently by different pilots):. .. .The FAA states quite clearly in this letter that in the event of the two pilots holding commercial licenses, BOTH may log the time as PIC if prior to flight one pilot is designated the the handling pilot and one as the non-handling pilot.. .Personally I've only done this on one occassion where we thought it may be appropriate to share the workload on an IFR flight into LAX in a light twin.

[slim_slag]

lock wire . .. .Couple of points. You can log PIC as safety pilot (in FAA land) if you have a Private licence. You don't need a commercial certificate.. .. .Regarding your flight into LAX under IFR in a light twin. This is very likely a 'single pilot' aircraft and so no second crewmember is required UNLESS he is safety pilot. The safety pilot is required for separation purposes only when in VMC. If you are in IMC then ATC becomes responsible for separation and safety pilot is no longer required crew, so cannot log PIC.. .. .Therefore, the only way you could both log PIC is if you are in VMC, you are 'legal PIC', and the pilot handling is under the hood. If that was not the case, somebody needs to go back and make a change to his/her logbook <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .You don't get to log PIC in a light twin on either side of the Atlantic if you are just handling some of the real PIC's workload, even if you are looking out for traffic.. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 19:53: Message edited by: slim_slag ]</small>