lock wire . .. .Couple of points. You can log PIC as safety pilot (in FAA land) if you have a Private licence. You don't need a commercial certificate.. .. .Regarding your flight into LAX under IFR in a light twin. This is very likely a 'single pilot' aircraft and so no second crewmember is required UNLESS he is safety pilot. The safety pilot is required for separation purposes only when in VMC. If you are in IMC then ATC becomes responsible for separation and safety pilot is no longer required crew, so cannot log PIC.. .. .Therefore, the only way you could both log PIC is if you are in VMC, you are 'legal PIC', and the pilot handling is under the hood. If that was not the case, somebody needs to go back and make a change to his/her logbook <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> . .. .You don't get to log PIC in a light twin on either side of the Atlantic if you are just handling some of the real PIC's workload, even if you are looking out for traffic.. . . . <small>[ 10 March 2002, 19:53: Message edited by: slim_slag ]</small>