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I'm afraid some of what ChickenHawk says is true Brenda.
Britannia are interested in interviewing, for selection, 14 75-rated guys that are sitting in the CTC pool. That is not rumour, but fact,.......
Do not know how many they require, nor if any will actually get thru' their selection & interviews.... but @ least it's encouraging news!
It's a shame that none of the other operators have been as positive in taking such a step.
Britannia are interested in interviewing, for selection, 14 75-rated guys that are sitting in the CTC pool. That is not rumour, but fact,.......
Do not know how many they require, nor if any will actually get thru' their selection & interviews.... but @ least it's encouraging news!
It's a shame that none of the other operators have been as positive in taking such a step.
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Mr Bombastic,
Good news, well done. I hope you are all succesful.
However, do remember there is a fine line between being a plank and being sensitive to others feelings.
Ther are guys who had been promised places before you by Brits,and it did not materialise....they are probably feeling a bit blue at the moment, and I think you are being a little smug. Just an observation.
Before you ask, I am an ex CTC Cadet, who is flying the 757 for another UK operator. I have no axe to grind, but I wonder if the CTC management would want you advertising what may be a slightly sensitive issue?
Again, good luck with your interview.
Good news, well done. I hope you are all succesful.
However, do remember there is a fine line between being a plank and being sensitive to others feelings.
Ther are guys who had been promised places before you by Brits,and it did not materialise....they are probably feeling a bit blue at the moment, and I think you are being a little smug. Just an observation.
Before you ask, I am an ex CTC Cadet, who is flying the 757 for another UK operator. I have no axe to grind, but I wonder if the CTC management would want you advertising what may be a slightly sensitive issue?
Again, good luck with your interview.
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Mr Bombastic,
Thankyou for putting us straight on the matter.
Well after passing the two day selection back in September and then hoping and waiting patiently for a chance of a look in at Brits.................looks as though weve been pipped at the post by someone with a larger wallet.
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Thankyou for putting us straight on the matter.
Well after passing the two day selection back in September and then hoping and waiting patiently for a chance of a look in at Brits.................looks as though weve been pipped at the post by someone with a larger wallet.
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Patience hopefully will come to all those who wait!!,training capacity constraints may be an issue here.Good luck to you all nothing is cast in stone yet.My father recommended chartered accountancy to me when I left school!!.I ignored his advice I,ve had a lot fun and still do but I suspect it was sound advice.
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As one of the pilots who was due to start in November with Brits i´m disappointed if this rumour is true.
Are you saying here that they are recruiting 250 hr cadets who have just spent 15,000 odd grand on a 757 type rating or are we talking about experienced 757 pilots who are looking for work.
If it´s the latter then i can see the economic sense in recruiting these guys. If not then i don´t see the point, why not give those pilots selected before, the opportunity of self sponsering their type rating?
Anyway either way i´m still keeping in touch and waiting for my call to arms.
If anyone has any info with regard the hold pool please let me know.
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Are you saying here that they are recruiting 250 hr cadets who have just spent 15,000 odd grand on a 757 type rating or are we talking about experienced 757 pilots who are looking for work.
If it´s the latter then i can see the economic sense in recruiting these guys. If not then i don´t see the point, why not give those pilots selected before, the opportunity of self sponsering their type rating?
Anyway either way i´m still keeping in touch and waiting for my call to arms.
If anyone has any info with regard the hold pool please let me know.
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Sorry to say but as I was updating my file file with BY a few days ago and having read about this rumour on Pprune, I asked directly to BY. the rumor has become a fact.
Not having a go at CTC guys but remember that about 15 of us had signed contracts and had resigned from previous jobs to join BY,hence why we might sound slightly annoyed.
Good luck anyway
Not having a go at CTC guys but remember that about 15 of us had signed contracts and had resigned from previous jobs to join BY,hence why we might sound slightly annoyed.
Good luck anyway
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If this is true then Britannia can stick their job! 
Im not giving up a shiny bizjet and top employer for a company that craps on me TWICE!!
To all the CTC boys/girls, good luck. I'll raise my beer glass from the Ibiza poolside as you complete your 20 minute turnaround.
MAX
Im not giving up a shiny bizjet and top employer for a company that craps on me TWICE!! To all the CTC boys/girls, good luck. I'll raise my beer glass from the Ibiza poolside as you complete your 20 minute turnaround.
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I am only prepared to be crapped on once.
As for 20 minutes, subtle use of exageration and a devilish plan to make CTC candidates stumble at interview. Thanks for ruining my cunning plan.
MAX
As for 20 minutes, subtle use of exageration and a devilish plan to make CTC candidates stumble at interview.
Thanks for ruining my cunning plan.MAX
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BronzeAge/Bluebaron/AMEX
I may have this wrong, but I don't think these guys will have paid for their own type rating. My understanding of the way the CTC ATP scheme works is that CTC fund the type rating & the airline pays them for it after successful recruitment.
If that is so, you've not lost out to someone with a bigger wallet: just someone who has already done the first part of the type conversion course.
I may have this wrong, but I don't think these guys will have paid for their own type rating. My understanding of the way the CTC ATP scheme works is that CTC fund the type rating & the airline pays them for it after successful recruitment.
If that is so, you've not lost out to someone with a bigger wallet: just someone who has already done the first part of the type conversion course.
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fibod - You are correct, initially CTC pay for the cost of the type rating, and are then reimbursed by the client airline. However, the pilots will have paid to complete an MCC course with CTC.
Some of the pilots in the 757 pool have been there for in excess of a year, so while I sympathize with those of you that had been promised a job with Britannia, the CTC 'pool' pilots are equally as deserving.
Some of the pilots in the 757 pool have been there for in excess of a year, so while I sympathize with those of you that had been promised a job with Britannia, the CTC 'pool' pilots are equally as deserving.
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Im not having a dig so please dont take this the wrong way.
If CTC 757 guys have been waiting a year why didnt they apply to Britts a year ago like everyone else?
Also, correct me if I am wrong, I thought CTC pilots flew on reduced salary for 6 months or so? I had heard in the realm of £1000 a month.
AMEX: Thanks for email. If that is true we shouldnt be worried at all, huh?
MAX
If CTC 757 guys have been waiting a year why didnt they apply to Britts a year ago like everyone else?
Also, correct me if I am wrong, I thought CTC pilots flew on reduced salary for 6 months or so? I had heard in the realm of £1000 a month.
AMEX: Thanks for email. If that is true we shouldnt be worried at all, huh?
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I was under the impression that the CTC guys initially forked out £6K and are then placed with an airline who pay them £1K/ month for six months.........in effect working for free.
I for one could not possibly forgo my salery for half the year + a training period, therefore Ive been beaten to the job by a First Officer who is prepared to pay for the privilege.
I am in the lucky position of already working on a jet. However my employer has historically paid less than industry average which explains why I applied to Brits.
CTC now supply Britannia, Monarch and easyJet that I know of....if this situation spreads further through the industry then its lower pay and conditions for everbody in the end.
I for one could not possibly forgo my salery for half the year + a training period, therefore Ive been beaten to the job by a First Officer who is prepared to pay for the privilege.
I am in the lucky position of already working on a jet. However my employer has historically paid less than industry average which explains why I applied to Brits.
CTC now supply Britannia, Monarch and easyJet that I know of....if this situation spreads further through the industry then its lower pay and conditions for everbody in the end.
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I see your dilemma BronzeAge. The problem is that you are competing with people on the bottom rung. The CTC scheme is no different, in effect, to the BA cadet entry vs. direct entry schemes.
I think it lasts to the end of type conversion, i.e. line training.
It is not new; it's been going for 7 years and has trained a few hundred pilots. There is a longer list of customer airlines on their website than you mention.
Personally, I think it is a tip-top scheme. The only people loosing out are those churning between airlines such as you. Otherwise, the trainees, CTC and the airline all seem to benefit. And CTC seem to have an excellent quality reputation.
Why are you so keen to work for Brit anyway? It must be the slowest promotion to command in the industry, no variety of types, and the joys of those lovely holiday makers; the perfect passengers! Still, there’s always the benefit of lots of time off in the winter to do the gardening!
I think it lasts to the end of type conversion, i.e. line training.
It is not new; it's been going for 7 years and has trained a few hundred pilots. There is a longer list of customer airlines on their website than you mention.
Personally, I think it is a tip-top scheme. The only people loosing out are those churning between airlines such as you. Otherwise, the trainees, CTC and the airline all seem to benefit. And CTC seem to have an excellent quality reputation.
Why are you so keen to work for Brit anyway? It must be the slowest promotion to command in the industry, no variety of types, and the joys of those lovely holiday makers; the perfect passengers! Still, there’s always the benefit of lots of time off in the winter to do the gardening!