Airways Aviation - Any good??
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Yes, the classes are small. That's because the previous model of accepting candidates purely on their ability to pay has been stopped, and quality is preferred over quantity. Any company undergoing such major changes as associated with a buy-out can have growing pains, but all that I have seen as a consultant suggests that standards and attitudes under the new management have improved and continue to improve. I wouldn't expect a smooth journey for the new company, but neither would it be beneficial to tar it with the misdemeanours of the past and the previous management team. The parent company is firmly rooted in global academic excellence which, I am sure, will continue to drive the improvements.
Vitriol from former staff is not professional and reflects more on those individuals than it does on the Academy.
Looking at integrated schools only, I would be happy to recommend Airways. That doesn't mean there aren't other good integrated schools, but I would say that not all of the "big" one's is as good as they themselves think they are, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them takes a big tumble in the next year or so.
Vitriol from former staff is not professional and reflects more on those individuals than it does on the Academy.
Looking at integrated schools only, I would be happy to recommend Airways. That doesn't mean there aren't other good integrated schools, but I would say that not all of the "big" one's is as good as they themselves think they are, and I wouldn't be surprised if one of them takes a big tumble in the next year or so.
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A big tumble
Do tell us your thoughts. Great intrigue.
I think the one you are hinting at may well be sold off as they concentrate on more profitable aspects of their business.
I think the one you are hinting at may well be sold off as they concentrate on more profitable aspects of their business.
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From: Jordan
if you're willing to fly in the middle east ( Jordan , Royal Jordanian air academy ) I'm currently training there , highly recommend it .
types : Piper Seminole , TB-20 Trinidad , Warrior III , Archer III, Piper Cherokee .
my training program
Ground school training course (frozen ATPL)
Flight training course (PPL)
Flight training course (CPL)
Flight training course (IR)
Flight training course (MCC)
Total flight hours of 215 ( 130 single engine , 20 single sim . , 25 multi , 20 multi sim , 20 on the TB ) .
types : Piper Seminole , TB-20 Trinidad , Warrior III , Archer III, Piper Cherokee .
my training program
Ground school training course (frozen ATPL)
Flight training course (PPL)
Flight training course (CPL)
Flight training course (IR)
Flight training course (MCC)
Total flight hours of 215 ( 130 single engine , 20 single sim . , 25 multi , 20 multi sim , 20 on the TB ) .
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From: South somewhere
I've been away for a little while, AA changing location?
Just come back from a little adventure.
I hear that Airways may be on the move. They were talking about moving to Oxford some time ago and I hear it may finally be happening. Some flying to be done at Kidlington, but the groundschool moving elsewhere and more flying being done in Spain.
Does anyone else have any info on this? Why move away from an established base in Coventry?
I hear they still have low student numbers on their courses, more personal instruction for the students but not economically viable, surely?
I hear that Airways may be on the move. They were talking about moving to Oxford some time ago and I hear it may finally be happening. Some flying to be done at Kidlington, but the groundschool moving elsewhere and more flying being done in Spain.
Does anyone else have any info on this? Why move away from an established base in Coventry?
I hear they still have low student numbers on their courses, more personal instruction for the students but not economically viable, surely?
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Airways Aviation
No way AA will be taking over CAE OAA. Think you'll find some (but possibly not all) of the current tenants in Dakota House at Cov will be moving across to AA's premises once they move out. The AA HoT role to be based at Oxford has been advertised a number of times on various recruitment websites.
HW
HW
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I hear that they are still struggling to recruit staff and that current staff are not happy about the relocation and some may not go. They have big aspirations and are renting a large building at Oxford. If they don't get the staff, how can they teach all the subjects? Is it just the kudos of Oxford they are after? You can cover all the cracks with as much paint as you like, but the cracks will still be there beneath the surface.
If I were looking to train in this industry, I wouldn't be parting with my money to a small set up (low student numbers and low staff numbers), when a much larger organisation with all the staff and facilities and with pedigree (proven results) is right next door and the cost works out about the same.
AA seem to be teaching more PPL than ATPL.
If I were looking to train in this industry, I wouldn't be parting with my money to a small set up (low student numbers and low staff numbers), when a much larger organisation with all the staff and facilities and with pedigree (proven results) is right next door and the cost works out about the same.
AA seem to be teaching more PPL than ATPL.
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AA has new staff that are well respected in the industry, and bring lots of experience. The move to Oxford airport seems a genuine attempt to rid the Atlantic image IMHO.
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A large flight school beginning with C will move into the Airways building (they're currently in Dakota House). I think that tells you who's doing well and who aren't. Yes they may not be the cheapest but the quality of instruction is great and you've got a mixture of modular and integrated students to bond with. That can only be a good thing when you're learning the theory.
Champ
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A large flight school beginning with C will move into the Airways building (they're currently in Dakota House)
Or do you mean groundschool?HW
Last edited by Happy Wanderer; 28th February 2016 at 22:53.
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More greed?
What does this deal mean exactly, surely they are not trying to suggest you need to train with AA in order to be selected by RYR. 
That's what it looks like to me. It seems everyone in aviation training is desperate to turn it all into a closed shop.
Ps: I do realise McGinley has other airline partners but RYR are their main source of business.
McGinley Aviation and Airways Aviation announce new partnership - Pilot Career News
That's what it looks like to me. It seems everyone in aviation training is desperate to turn it all into a closed shop.
Ps: I do realise McGinley has other airline partners but RYR are their main source of business.
McGinley Aviation and Airways Aviation announce new partnership - Pilot Career News
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Champair you have a very interesting sense of logic. You state that a ATO beginning with C is moving from one portacabin to another in Coventry and Airways Avitation is moving to a new Multi million pound training facility in Oxford and you state who's doing well 
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Multi-million pound training facility? lol
It may be a newish building at Oxford, but hardly a multi-million pound training facility. On lease too, so all fresh paint and glitter in reality. It's the training that should really be of priority, not putting on a nice new shiny appearance. Once they get past the "wow factor" of a new building and fresh signs only to realize what really exists inside.
From what I hear, UK/European students get the bum deal having to observe the hierarchy cow-towing to overseas students, observing religious holidays, insisting upon rooms to observe prayer, complaining there are no facilities to wash their private parts, turning up when they feel like it, being allowed access to phones in class. If they don't like something, they bypass the instructors and go crying straight to the HoT.
From what I hear, UK/European students get the bum deal having to observe the hierarchy cow-towing to overseas students, observing religious holidays, insisting upon rooms to observe prayer, complaining there are no facilities to wash their private parts, turning up when they feel like it, being allowed access to phones in class. If they don't like something, they bypass the instructors and go crying straight to the HoT.
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Heading to poland, a good idea?
So, having done alot of research, the cost of a CPL+IR+MEP is significantly cheaper at Bartolini in Poland. £14000 all in, £2500 for groundschool at Bristol.
Question is why? The same course in UK costs £20000+
Tell me there is something I'm missing such as quality of training/aircraft/instructors are ex military boxers with a sharp back of their hand?? This kind of cost would bring an fatpl to somewhere less than £35k?
Question is why? The same course in UK costs £20000+
Tell me there is something I'm missing such as quality of training/aircraft/instructors are ex military boxers with a sharp back of their hand?? This kind of cost would bring an fatpl to somewhere less than £35k?