Re-validating expired ATPL Theory exams

[500 above]

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[macflea]

To unusual attitude.
In response to your post have you heard anything about or received any update as regards this anomaly with these atpls exams?
I am in that position , i tried everything mailing caa uk, no answer yet.
Everybody thinks just by doing ir exams that's it to renew the ir, but you can't fly multi pilot aircraft.

[XuMeng]

so what's this mean?
if i have EASA CPL+MEP+IR+ATPL EXAM
AND FLYING WITH CAAC CPL+MEP+IR

THEN, the EASA ATPL EXAM WILL KEEP VALID
BUT THE EASA MEP+IR WILL BE EXPIRED IF NOT RE-VALIDATED?

Now I have this problem.
thank you

[rudestuff]

The are no JAA licences any more. And the FAA don't issue MEP ratings.

[XuMeng]

Originally Posted by rudestuff

The are no JAA licences any more. And the FAA don't issue MEP ratings.

sorry about that, indeed I got the JAA CPL+MEP+IR in 2009, but I didn'nt re-validate them. I have been flying in China with CAAC (CPL + ME +IR) license .
Does my EASA MEP+IR still valid ? if not, I have to redo the IR theory exam again , because it's almost 10 years from the date expired

[BillieBob]

Successful completion of theoretical knowledge examinations is required for the issue of licences and ratings and, with one exception, once the relevant licence or rating has been issued, the examinations become irrelevant. The exception is the IR where, if the rating has not been renewed within the preceding 7 years, the examinations must be passed again before it can be renewed. However, the latest amendment to Part-FCL removed this requirement for holders of a valid IR issued by an ICAO member state and so if you hold a valid CAAC IR you can renew your EASA IR with no requirement for exams or refresher training, irrespective of how long ago it expired (see FCL.625.IR(e)). The ATPL theoretical knowledge examinations are valid for the issue of an ATPL for the same 7 year period from the last renewal of the instrument rating. Consequently, by renewing the EASA IR, you automatically extend the validity of the ATPL exams for a further 7 years.

Note that the Regulation actually says "If the rating has not not been renewed within the preceding 7 years" whereas the UK CAA counts 7 years from the expiry date of the instrument rating, which is 8 years since it was last renewed. It should not be assumed that other member states will take the same liberal view.

[rudestuff]

In addition to the above - technically you could apply for an EASA IR even if you had never held one, thanks to the CBIR route, which allows an ICAO IR holder with 50 hours pic under IFR to take an EASA IR test with no exams or training. The examiner tests your knowledge on the day.

So to answer your question, you need to apply for a replacement EASA license which should just be a straight swap, then head to an ATO and either do a few flights in a light twin and an IR test. I'm a little rusty but you might even be allowed find a SIM and TRE for your current type and fly an LST. I think that's what you would do to convert an ATPL.

[XuMeng]

Originally Posted by BillieBob

However, the latest amendment to Part-FCL removed this requirement for holders of a valid IR issued by an ICAO member state and so if you hold a valid CAAC IR you can renew your EASA IR with no requirement for exams or refresher training, irrespective of how long ago it expired (see FCL.625.IR(e)). .

Thank you so much, I had been looking for this for a long time.

The problem is that I'm going to endorse A320 type rating to my EASA license, what should I do with the expired IR&MEP on my EASA CPL?
Will the IR&MEP both renewed with the endorsement training of A320? or should I renew them in advance before the endorsement?

thank you

[Flyingdog84]

Originally Posted by chris2205

Hi everyone,

I did my ATPL theory exams with Bristol ground school over 10 years ago (Highly recommend them by the way). I passed them all really well (94% average) and then went on to do an FAA CPL/IR then converted at Airways in Exeter to JAA.

I guess it's obvious that flying didn't work out for me, but it's a long story and I'm not here to bore you.

The question I have is regarding the ground exams, I realise that they have long expired and was hoping that somebody could let me know the best way of re-validating them?

Thank you for any information you can give!!

so... really sad to tell you this (happened to me) that is more simple to understand in this rude way.
first case: you have 36 month for make enter an IR rating in your licence (conversion from your FAA), otherwise ATPL lost, need do all again.
second case: from your last IR proficiency check (annual if ME or biannual if SE) or the previously conversion check, if pass more than 7 years, ATPL goodbye, need do again.
Practical every time you do the check for be current on IR start the countdown of the 7 years....

[paco]

Rudestuff - testing on the day is for the Enroute IR, for people who hold an ICAO IR - the CBIR has 80 hours of TK and the usual exams. However, both have the same TK syllabus.

Phil

[LastStandards]

Originally Posted by BillieBob

The ATPL theoretical knowledge examinations are valid for the issue of an ATPL for the same 7 year period from the last renewal of the instrument rating. Consequently, by renewing the EASA IR, you automatically extend the validity of the ATPL exams for a further 7 years.

This is my interpretation as well, but not necessarily the interpretation of some Policy individuals at a NAA - some recent discussions with candidates using either an ICAO IR or a UK Military Unrestricted Green IR to comply with the 7 year rule led to a curious interpretation that the ATPL exams were separate from the IR exams for the purpose of issue, such that the ATPL exam validity expired 7 years after the last UK/EASA IR entered in a licence, irrespective of the IR exam portion remaining within 7 years of the latest ICAO/Green IR. I'm afraid I continued to enter an IR in both candidates' EASA licences, with both leaving understanding that the Regulation itself suggested that their ATPL exams were now valid for a further 8 years! We do sometimes seem to seek the most negative interpretation rather than the most pragmatic interpretation.

[LastStandards]

Originally Posted by paco

Rudestuff - testing on the day is for the Enroute IR, for people who hold an ICAO IR - the CBIR has 80 hours of TK and the usual exams. However, both have the same TK syllabus.

Phil

Sorry, not quite - Appendix 6 to FCL Annex 1 refers, specifically Aa(8) which exempts a candidate with an Part-FCL PPL/CPL and a valid ICAO IR(A) with 50 hours PIC IFR on aeroplanes from both theoretical and flight instruction elements. This therefore refers to a CBIR - the candidate therefore gains an IR, with the restriction that their TK has only been demonstrated to CB exam level by verbal and practical demonstration, therefore no HPA.

[paco]

OK - I stand connected....