another "what to do" topic...
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another "what to do" topic...
Okay, decision times ahead...
Just pondering the best course/s of action.
1500hrs, 500 multi, Australian ATPL, no turbine time.
(all Charter)
Currently employed Casually by 2 companies (one short term),
other has full time potentiol, but little advancement (read no turboprop aircraft)
Considering going overseas (england) to do JAR atpl, but I don't understand exactly how this will help. Personally it would be educational, but will it help job wise? particulary in europe/England.
I have a "right to work" in England due to mum being born there.
Should I stay home (Australia) and continue to apply (as yet unsuccessfully) to VB and QF?
Is the U.S. an option?
Any advice from those who have done any of the above would be appreciated...
cheers to all...
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Just pondering the best course/s of action.
1500hrs, 500 multi, Australian ATPL, no turbine time.
(all Charter)
Currently employed Casually by 2 companies (one short term),
other has full time potentiol, but little advancement (read no turboprop aircraft)
Considering going overseas (england) to do JAR atpl, but I don't understand exactly how this will help. Personally it would be educational, but will it help job wise? particulary in europe/England.
I have a "right to work" in England due to mum being born there.
Should I stay home (Australia) and continue to apply (as yet unsuccessfully) to VB and QF?
Is the U.S. an option?
Any advice from those who have done any of the above would be appreciated...
cheers to all...
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I've no doubt that redsnail will come to your aid, sooner or later, but here're my thoughts - remember, they're just my opinion!
There's little point in doing a JAA ATPL unless you intend to live and work in the JAA area (EU plus a few other countries). It will cost you somewhere around £30k-£40k as the JAA gives little credit for other countries' licences (and that's another argument which I don't want to get into here).
The job situation in Europe is probably slightly better than in Oz; there are a great many more airlines - but there are also 300 million people here! It's probably also fair to say that, with so many airlines, union politics (and history) is less of a factor here than in Oz.
In your position I would talk to a number of European/UK schools to assess the real costs and viability of getting the JAA ATPL. I would also check with your nearest UK High Commission or Consulate just exactly what your residency and working entitlements are in the EU. Then, assuming that the answers to those questions are acceptable, do your own assessment of the likely job market once you have obtained that ATPL. If you think it'll be better here, go for it.
There's little point in doing a JAA ATPL unless you intend to live and work in the JAA area (EU plus a few other countries). It will cost you somewhere around £30k-£40k as the JAA gives little credit for other countries' licences (and that's another argument which I don't want to get into here).
The job situation in Europe is probably slightly better than in Oz; there are a great many more airlines - but there are also 300 million people here! It's probably also fair to say that, with so many airlines, union politics (and history) is less of a factor here than in Oz.
In your position I would talk to a number of European/UK schools to assess the real costs and viability of getting the JAA ATPL. I would also check with your nearest UK High Commission or Consulate just exactly what your residency and working entitlements are in the EU. Then, assuming that the answers to those questions are acceptable, do your own assessment of the likely job market once you have obtained that ATPL. If you think it'll be better here, go for it.
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Thanks.
Still awaiting Reddo's advice...
currently checking out schools in UK, is a frozen ATPL possible (ie subjects only as in Aus). and full conversion at a later date (ie when have the required times)
Just feeling a bit stagnant with present situation and feel the need to do SOMETHING to help myself long term.
Still awaiting Reddo's advice...
currently checking out schools in UK, is a frozen ATPL possible (ie subjects only as in Aus). and full conversion at a later date (ie when have the required times)
Just feeling a bit stagnant with present situation and feel the need to do SOMETHING to help myself long term.
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Gummaark....
Have a read of this.
Ok, believe me it will be hard work. The costs will be astronomical since you don't have any multi pilot time. In other words, sadly, your experience will not translate into a JAR ATPL.
You will have to do the 14 exams, no exemption on time in the classroom - either full time or distance learning. You'll have to do a full IR again (you get 5 hours off on 55 hours) and more than likely you'll have to do a MCC rating too. All very very expensive.
Your hours are good but at the moment there are a lot of turbine experienced guys running around here with no job. I'm one of them. (although it is looking pretty good for me soon). I *still* haven't finished.... If you think CASA can generate delays, you haven't met the CAA! The employment scene is looking better than what it did 9 months ago. However, it is still not as good as it was in 1998.
Also, on the immigration front, for me it was a doddle. I just walked in because I got a British Passport. I was lucky, Dad was a Brit. Since you are going for "right of abode" you'll have to prove to the British Govt that you can support yourself for the length of your study and then some. Plan about 12-18 months!
I can't get any benefits because I haven't paid any thing into the NI. (I don't want any thing actually).
I wish I could tell you something better but I am telling you the truth. I would not come over here without turbine time. If you really feel the need for a JAR lic, do the study by Distance Learning and keep flying.
Have a read of this.
Ok, believe me it will be hard work. The costs will be astronomical since you don't have any multi pilot time. In other words, sadly, your experience will not translate into a JAR ATPL.
You will have to do the 14 exams, no exemption on time in the classroom - either full time or distance learning. You'll have to do a full IR again (you get 5 hours off on 55 hours) and more than likely you'll have to do a MCC rating too. All very very expensive.
Your hours are good but at the moment there are a lot of turbine experienced guys running around here with no job. I'm one of them. (although it is looking pretty good for me soon). I *still* haven't finished.... If you think CASA can generate delays, you haven't met the CAA! The employment scene is looking better than what it did 9 months ago. However, it is still not as good as it was in 1998.
Also, on the immigration front, for me it was a doddle. I just walked in because I got a British Passport. I was lucky, Dad was a Brit. Since you are going for "right of abode" you'll have to prove to the British Govt that you can support yourself for the length of your study and then some. Plan about 12-18 months!
I can't get any benefits because I haven't paid any thing into the NI. (I don't want any thing actually).
I wish I could tell you something better but I am telling you the truth. I would not come over here without turbine time. If you really feel the need for a JAR lic, do the study by Distance Learning and keep flying.
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Thanks again!
So if I do the theory, (by correspondance at first with one to two months study in UK) can I claim it all on tax? including the travel?
I guess I'd need to talk to an accountant for that one
Admittedly it does not seem to be of much use short term, but will it help me out one day if i have the theory???
(the short term advantage is mostly personal improvement and a visit overseas)
Am I wasting time/money?
So if I do the theory, (by correspondance at first with one to two months study in UK) can I claim it all on tax? including the travel?
I guess I'd need to talk to an accountant for that one
Admittedly it does not seem to be of much use short term, but will it help me out one day if i have the theory???
(the short term advantage is mostly personal improvement and a visit overseas)
Am I wasting time/money?
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Gumaark,
Only you can answer those questions. Do you have a spare $50,000? That is approx what you will need. The exam credits aren't valid indefinitely, you have 3 years from the first sitting to get the IR done. You had better check what the latest state of play is with exam credits too.
Only you can decided what you want to do with your career.
Have you been to the UK? Before I decided to leave Australia I had a holiday here. You may not like the place.
See the country before making a very expensive move.
Only you can answer those questions. Do you have a spare $50,000? That is approx what you will need. The exam credits aren't valid indefinitely, you have 3 years from the first sitting to get the IR done. You had better check what the latest state of play is with exam credits too.
Only you can decided what you want to do with your career.
Have you been to the UK? Before I decided to leave Australia I had a holiday here. You may not like the place.
See the country before making a very expensive move.
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Gumaaark,
What Redsnail says is absolutely correct.
However, if I remember the figures correctly, only about 8% of the world's aircraft are on JAA state registries, while about 70% are on the U.S. registry.
I suggest you take a hard look at FAA first before you commit yourself to the Euromess we have to contend with.
Good luck, Dig.
Best regards,
What Redsnail says is absolutely correct.
However, if I remember the figures correctly, only about 8% of the world's aircraft are on JAA state registries, while about 70% are on the U.S. registry.
I suggest you take a hard look at FAA first before you commit yourself to the Euromess we have to contend with.
Good luck, Dig.
Best regards,
