Computer Flight Simulations for Training
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Hi,
I used the PIC767 for a long time under FS2004 and it is an outstanding example for to which extend "hobby-flightsimming" comes close to reality.
There are a lot of failures modelled, i donīt recall every single one, you can choose them from a failure menu to come in within a certain amount of time. The FMC can fail, engines, hydraulics, packs, gears...oh well, the list is long.
PIC767 lacks from some things, like you do NOT have an ENG OUT page working in the FMC, you can NOT change the ZFW via a graphic interface, you have to dig into the aircraft config file, but thatīs plain text.
So to sum it up, to train real world procedures this is one of the two planes i know about that is able to give a real pilot what he/she needs to train procedures. The other one is PMDG 737, which even outperforms (IMHO) the PIC767.
You can find the 737 under www.precisionmanuals.com. No, i am not affiliated or employed by them, just an enthusiastic customer.
Hope that helped!!
Best regards
I used the PIC767 for a long time under FS2004 and it is an outstanding example for to which extend "hobby-flightsimming" comes close to reality.
There are a lot of failures modelled, i donīt recall every single one, you can choose them from a failure menu to come in within a certain amount of time. The FMC can fail, engines, hydraulics, packs, gears...oh well, the list is long.
PIC767 lacks from some things, like you do NOT have an ENG OUT page working in the FMC, you can NOT change the ZFW via a graphic interface, you have to dig into the aircraft config file, but thatīs plain text.
So to sum it up, to train real world procedures this is one of the two planes i know about that is able to give a real pilot what he/she needs to train procedures. The other one is PMDG 737, which even outperforms (IMHO) the PIC767.
You can find the 737 under www.precisionmanuals.com. No, i am not affiliated or employed by them, just an enthusiastic customer.
Hope that helped!!
Best regards
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Microsoft Flight Simulator??
Hi,
I'm thinking about getting Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 "A Century Of Flight" edition. As anyone of you used it yet? How is it?? what about the 2002 one?
cheers
I'm thinking about getting Microsoft Flight Simulator 2004 "A Century Of Flight" edition. As anyone of you used it yet? How is it?? what about the 2002 one?
cheers
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I have 2002 and am in the process of getting 2004.
I think it is awesome as a bit of fun and is great for practice etc.
The interactive lessons are ok but based on FAA regs etc and can be a little annoying.
I havent really used any other SIM yet and am sure there are some out there that are better for real training which hopefully someone will clarify.
You can download hundreds of aircraft and install them and use them in flight - the scenery is awesome however make sure you have a nice high powered graphics card as this will make it even better.
You can also fly online with other pilots but you need a fast connection.
PM me if you have any other questions as I have used it quite a bit for a number of years.
Regards
Lee
I think it is awesome as a bit of fun and is great for practice etc.
The interactive lessons are ok but based on FAA regs etc and can be a little annoying.
I havent really used any other SIM yet and am sure there are some out there that are better for real training which hopefully someone will clarify.
You can download hundreds of aircraft and install them and use them in flight - the scenery is awesome however make sure you have a nice high powered graphics card as this will make it even better.
You can also fly online with other pilots but you need a fast connection.
PM me if you have any other questions as I have used it quite a bit for a number of years.
Regards
Lee
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Top Tips!!
1:Use Flight Simulator 98
Remarkably everybody who learned on it that year ended able to fly instruments very nicely and on a computer that most of you are using as a door stop now.
Use the money you save to keep current in a real aeroplane!!
2: Use any simulator other than MS Flight Sim. Too much eye candy, too many sites for you to wander off to, too many things to download and play with.
CAA examiners now yawn when you mention you can land on an aircraft carrier but they still love to see a nice, unstressed wind corrected hold by a candidate who doesn't have to think about their IF.
A contrarian view but that's just me,
Regards from the Towers
Rob
Remarkably everybody who learned on it that year ended able to fly instruments very nicely and on a computer that most of you are using as a door stop now.
Use the money you save to keep current in a real aeroplane!!
2: Use any simulator other than MS Flight Sim. Too much eye candy, too many sites for you to wander off to, too many things to download and play with.
CAA examiners now yawn when you mention you can land on an aircraft carrier but they still love to see a nice, unstressed wind corrected hold by a candidate who doesn't have to think about their IF.
A contrarian view but that's just me,
Regards from the Towers
Rob
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I've been hunting around for something half decent, FS just seems so, can't think of the right word..."rough?" I thought about getting a copy of Elite but I have come across an alternative:-
www.x-plane.com: Does not have the fancy pants graphics but seems to me to be so much more real in just about every other aspect and runs soooo smoothly on my outdated hardware. Would interested in other opinions on this from those in the know.
www.x-plane.com: Does not have the fancy pants graphics but seems to me to be so much more real in just about every other aspect and runs soooo smoothly on my outdated hardware. Would interested in other opinions on this from those in the know.
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I got FS 2004 for christmas, eye candy is great but it just doesnt really compare to flying. I started flying in january and havent really flown FS2004 since becasue its just not like flying. Maybe its because of my joystick (Saitek X36combo). It doesnt feel like flying at all, you really need something with some feedback. I dont know whether I would spend 70 odd euro or so on it. It would probably be better spent on real flying although that said it does give you basics of Instrument Flying.
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I agree with pprune tower. i have FS98 as well as fs2004. I bought and addon for fs98 called Koch VFR scenery england and wales for about Ģ5. It can be used for vfr navigation, it has most features on the 1/2 mil map and airport scenery is the spot on, if its in pooleys then it will be on the game. Airports like Coventry and oxford are very detailed. The good thing is that it runs smoothly unlike fs2004. FS2004 has real weather and slightly better a/c handling as well as flight analysis which is good for monitoring IFR procedures.
I got x-plane 5 for about Ģ2. the aircraft handling is excellent compared to fs2004 and the performance is better, even though it lack a lot of the features of fs2004.
Capt. M
I got x-plane 5 for about Ģ2. the aircraft handling is excellent compared to fs2004 and the performance is better, even though it lack a lot of the features of fs2004.
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High Wing Drifter... haha till i read a subsequent post i thought you meant Elite the Space Trading Game from back in the day. Great stuff but i'm not sure docking in a space staion is good practice for ILS landings!
As for Xplane... Its the only one i've used really as i have mac. I have to say to say it is very good though and gets the physics just right. However it is severely lacking in frills. On mine the whole of the UK is ocean except for the airfields. I did find a demo of uk scenery that limited you to the southhampton area but this was just non-descript greenness really. That could be due to my low spec computer. Anyone been able to make it look pretty?
As for Xplane... Its the only one i've used really as i have mac. I have to say to say it is very good though and gets the physics just right. However it is severely lacking in frills. On mine the whole of the UK is ocean except for the airfields. I did find a demo of uk scenery that limited you to the southhampton area but this was just non-descript greenness really. That could be due to my low spec computer. Anyone been able to make it look pretty?
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Jonny,
Jeez, I remeber that game. Somewhat unputdownable as I seem to remeber!!
Regarding X-plane, I ain't tried the previous versions but I gather that version 7 is a bit of a leap in a few respects.
Anyway check this out for scenery: http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/scenery/download.html. The UK seems to have the airports, nav aids and also seems topologically accurate.
Jeez, I remeber that game. Somewhat unputdownable as I seem to remeber!!
Regarding X-plane, I ain't tried the previous versions but I gather that version 7 is a bit of a leap in a few respects.
Anyway check this out for scenery: http://www.chromatix.uklinux.net/scenery/download.html. The UK seems to have the airports, nav aids and also seems topologically accurate.
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Swordfish, it seems you can't remember the rules about not making the same post in multiple forums. Let me remind you: don't do it!
You'll find you can't post in this one any more.....
Scroggs
You'll find you can't post in this one any more.....
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Constructive Use of PC sims
I know there's a thread going on about PC simulation programs, but this is slightly more specific.
I would like to know if anyone has benefited from the use of PC sims in the course of their training. I would like to know what manouvres/procedures are worth practicing .
I will be doing an FAA IR course soon, possibly on a PA-28-181. I use FS2004 with a PA-28-181 add-on program and Gleim FAA IR books.
I've used the rant demo and i don't really like it. I prefer actual sims
Thanks
Capt. Manuvar
I would like to know if anyone has benefited from the use of PC sims in the course of their training. I would like to know what manouvres/procedures are worth practicing .
I will be doing an FAA IR course soon, possibly on a PA-28-181. I use FS2004 with a PA-28-181 add-on program and Gleim FAA IR books.
I've used the rant demo and i don't really like it. I prefer actual sims
Thanks
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I instruct using a PC based system (Jeppeson Flight Pro) to complement my IMC training. PC software is not much use to demonstrate how the aeroplane reacts to P.A.T but is essential to cut down training hours. For instance NDB tracking, NDB and VOR holds, DME arcs and all kinds of procedures...especially if you vary the wind. The real benefit over the aeroplane is being able to freeze the system at a point and then to replay with images actual track over the ground.
Since the 'sim' is not approved it does not cut down on training hours for the issue of the rating, but it does make the student a better pilot with much more experinece than if he had just trained in the air at his local radio aid/facility/procedure.
Since the 'sim' is not approved it does not cut down on training hours for the issue of the rating, but it does make the student a better pilot with much more experinece than if he had just trained in the air at his local radio aid/facility/procedure.
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Yeah - all this 'approved' and 'not approved' nonesense is meaningless anyway. Without wishing to do the whole commercial world a major disservice I also think that forking out several hundred quid on a 'pro package' or whatever, just for a few hours of real use is pointless. Cheap off the shelf sims like FS2004 are GREAT because:
To all intents and purposes it works like the real thing. Sure, PC simming is never a substitute for real flying, but if its going to take you a while until you feel comfortable with things like ADF, VOR, ILS, Holds etc, your sim will really help you to get your head round things before putting them to practice in the air - saving you some serious bucks!
The other alternatives are:
1. Keep paying through the nose to get it wrong in the air.
2. Keep reading your books - which is a much harder way to let the penny to drop!
Like I said, the fact the sim is not approved is not the point, if it gives you a workshop environment to just act out key steps, then your half way there - much better than the military method of using cardboard cutouts!
Just remember that it doesn't replace real training and be prudent to spot quirky differences between whatever add-ons you use and the real thing
To all intents and purposes it works like the real thing. Sure, PC simming is never a substitute for real flying, but if its going to take you a while until you feel comfortable with things like ADF, VOR, ILS, Holds etc, your sim will really help you to get your head round things before putting them to practice in the air - saving you some serious bucks!
The other alternatives are:
1. Keep paying through the nose to get it wrong in the air.
2. Keep reading your books - which is a much harder way to let the penny to drop!
Like I said, the fact the sim is not approved is not the point, if it gives you a workshop environment to just act out key steps, then your half way there - much better than the military method of using cardboard cutouts!
Just remember that it doesn't replace real training and be prudent to spot quirky differences between whatever add-ons you use and the real thing
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I have found that MS flight sim works well for my trainees on MCC courses - they can practice flying procedural departures, arrivals and approaches which will later be used in the sim.
The pre-learning helps get the best value for money out of the sim time.
The pre-learning helps get the best value for money out of the sim time.
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A320 flight crew training software
I'm looking for the original A320 flight crew training software.
From where is it possible to download it? If anyone has a copy...
Thanks anyway.
From where is it possible to download it? If anyone has a copy...
Thanks anyway.