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The topic got closed midway through my typing a reply. Feel free to delete this one read, but I should be allowed to air a reply
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scroggs,
I beg to differ, but it's possibly that I see the relevance differently to you.
Full aircraft when we are told the airlines are having a hard time to me is relevant as it might indicate that things in reality may not exactly what we are being told. Possibly also might indicate that things might be on the mend sooner than we are told. This is the relevance in my view, and worth debating.
I'm minded to take this debate up again when I get back to the UK as I'm in the US now, and the hotel I stay at is frequented with US aircrews, and I've spent a bit of time talking this through with them - but this is not the place.
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scroggs,
I beg to differ, but it's possibly that I see the relevance differently to you.
Full aircraft when we are told the airlines are having a hard time to me is relevant as it might indicate that things in reality may not exactly what we are being told. Possibly also might indicate that things might be on the mend sooner than we are told. This is the relevance in my view, and worth debating.
I'm minded to take this debate up again when I get back to the UK as I'm in the US now, and the hotel I stay at is frequented with US aircrews, and I've spent a bit of time talking this through with them - but this is not the place.
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yes, sorry I closed the thread on you, but I wanted my original post to stand on its own as a statement of policy. Your post helped me make my point, so I let it stand. I'm quite happy to debate the issue in this thread. Having said that, this policy is a result of edicts from above, so it ain't gonna change!
You're right, of course the health or otherwise of airlines is of interest to Wannabes, and you'll be aware that we have had many threads discussing the ramifications of 9/11 and economic slowdown, and very good some of them have been as well. In the context of one of those threads, the observation that loads are getting better is worthwhile, but it is not sufficient in itself to justify a thread on this forum - that is why your threads were moved.
Remember, there are many, many forums on this site, and each has a different focus. There is plenty of overlap between many of them, but when we adjudge that any given thread is better placed somewhere else, it gets moved.
At the end of the day, as you well know, Pprune is not a democracy! This, for the moment, is how it's going to be.
yes, sorry I closed the thread on you, but I wanted my original post to stand on its own as a statement of policy. Your post helped me make my point, so I let it stand. I'm quite happy to debate the issue in this thread. Having said that, this policy is a result of edicts from above, so it ain't gonna change!
You're right, of course the health or otherwise of airlines is of interest to Wannabes, and you'll be aware that we have had many threads discussing the ramifications of 9/11 and economic slowdown, and very good some of them have been as well. In the context of one of those threads, the observation that loads are getting better is worthwhile, but it is not sufficient in itself to justify a thread on this forum - that is why your threads were moved.
Remember, there are many, many forums on this site, and each has a different focus. There is plenty of overlap between many of them, but when we adjudge that any given thread is better placed somewhere else, it gets moved.
At the end of the day, as you well know, Pprune is not a democracy! This, for the moment, is how it's going to be.
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Scroggs,
Fair enough. I'm happy to have made my point and that you have taken it on board.
I accept your opinion, even if it comes from above, but I'm also happy to agree to disagree.
As for the democracy of Pprune, I consider it one of it's weaknesses rather than strengths, and I for one would like to see more of a democratic 'on the fence' moderation rather than the 'this is our forum, if you don't like it you can....' type of aproach. Again, I hope you all take this as constructive critisism rather than anything personal.
BTW, the comments above apply to other forums as well.
Keep the good work up.
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Fair enough. I'm happy to have made my point and that you have taken it on board.
I accept your opinion, even if it comes from above, but I'm also happy to agree to disagree.
As for the democracy of Pprune, I consider it one of it's weaknesses rather than strengths, and I for one would like to see more of a democratic 'on the fence' moderation rather than the 'this is our forum, if you don't like it you can....' type of aproach. Again, I hope you all take this as constructive critisism rather than anything personal.
BTW, the comments above apply to other forums as well.
Keep the good work up.
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Well, you aren't going to get a more democratic Pprune! Remember this is a private website, not a public facility. It's owned by Capt Pprune, and it's his benevolent despotic autocracy that has the last (and first) word on how the site is run.
An organism the size of Pprune (48000 members) would descend into chaos and anarchy if there was not strong leadership and control of the site - as we have seen only recently on this forum. The moderators are chosen by the administration because they have shown the qualities, as Ppruners, that Capt Pprune wishes to perpetuate in the running of the site. Democracy only works well when it selects a leadership and then lets that leadership get on with leading, and accepts the decisions that leadership makes. Democracies that debate every decision tend to be weak and ineffectual. As the leadership positions are not, and will not be, up for grabs, democracy has no place here.
In otherwords, like it or lump it! (Sorry!)
An organism the size of Pprune (48000 members) would descend into chaos and anarchy if there was not strong leadership and control of the site - as we have seen only recently on this forum. The moderators are chosen by the administration because they have shown the qualities, as Ppruners, that Capt Pprune wishes to perpetuate in the running of the site. Democracy only works well when it selects a leadership and then lets that leadership get on with leading, and accepts the decisions that leadership makes. Democracies that debate every decision tend to be weak and ineffectual. As the leadership positions are not, and will not be, up for grabs, democracy has no place here.
In otherwords, like it or lump it! (Sorry!)
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Scroggs,
Interesting view on democracy!!. I'll sleep on that one I think as I don't wish to raise the temperature on this. I was only giving you my 2d's worth, take it or leave it, makes absolutly no difference to me what so ever.
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Interesting view on democracy!!. I'll sleep on that one I think as I don't wish to raise the temperature on this. I was only giving you my 2d's worth, take it or leave it, makes absolutly no difference to me what so ever.
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Scroggs,
I thought the moderators were picked on slightly different qualities?
I thought the moderators were picked on slightly different qualities?
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Democracy?!?!? Who the hell mentioned democracy? This is a free service which is run by volunteers who work hard and accept the rules that have been formed over the last 6 years. It never ceases to amaze me when someone thinks they have a 'right' to try and dictate how we should run these forums.
I suggest you reform your ideas and consider it this way instead: Treat any forum like an 'IN tray' and when the sub-editors or the editor-in-chief see something that doesn't match the rules then it is either moved or deleted. It takes a lot of our time to keep monitoring everything that gets posted and it is me who receives the complaints or solicitors letters when someone who doesn't have the intelligence engage brain before typing decides that they have some sort of right to 'free speech' on here.
So, as Scroggs has said, this is a benevolent despotic environment. I now employ my undemocratic right to close this thread and advise you to be a bit more considerate and use the most appropriate forum for your posts. If we move it, accept it but don't waste our time with arguments about it. Why not go to Jet Blast and raise it there?
I suggest you reform your ideas and consider it this way instead: Treat any forum like an 'IN tray' and when the sub-editors or the editor-in-chief see something that doesn't match the rules then it is either moved or deleted. It takes a lot of our time to keep monitoring everything that gets posted and it is me who receives the complaints or solicitors letters when someone who doesn't have the intelligence engage brain before typing decides that they have some sort of right to 'free speech' on here.
So, as Scroggs has said, this is a benevolent despotic environment. I now employ my undemocratic right to close this thread and advise you to be a bit more considerate and use the most appropriate forum for your posts. If we move it, accept it but don't waste our time with arguments about it. Why not go to Jet Blast and raise it there?
