SEP IR Renewal OR MEIR Renewal?

[2close]

To go back to the OP, an IR can be kept current on either SEP or MEP, however, a ME IR also confers SE IR privileges (provided a valid SEP rating is held) whereas the reverse does not apply (even if a MEP rating is held).

Unless I desperately needed a current ME IR I would probably revalidate the SE IR for 2 years and then do the required MEP refresher training (if necessary) and ME IR renewal every third year.

Saying that, it would probably work out cheaper to revalidate the ME IR every year, with alternate years on the Sim.

I suppose it all boils down to what you actually need the IR for and what you are actually flying on a regular basis.

Just my thoughts.

[Jet Simulation]

2 Close,

Many airlines do have a requirement of having the MEIR valid at the time of application or they will simply not consider you. For this reason alone quite a few pilots choose to keep it valid in order to keep the options open in an already small set of choices.

Your point about the SEIR and MEIR is a very valid point which one must take into consideration. The MEIR gives you privileges to fly an SEP IFR however you can't do it the other way around.

[MichaelPL]

Bump. Just spent an hour and a half digging through EC 1178/2011. In particular I was looking for legislation concerning that

The MEIR gives you privileges to fly an SEP IFR however you can't do it the other way around.

However I cannot find any statement there which would confirm that. Where does it say that holding a valid SEP(L), valid MEP(L) and a valid IR/ME I can also fly a single engine under IFR?

My current situation is as follows: valid SEP(L), MEP(L), IR/SE. All of those are valid up to more or less Nov/Dec 2013. I'm planning to do IR/ME training (I do not hold, and never held IR/ME) and subsequent proficiency check around Oct/Nov 2013. The proficiency check would be combined with revalidation of MEP(L) class rating.

As for SEP(L) I thought to revalidate on the 12 months rule.

The question is - as mentioned in the first paragraph - will I be ok to fly a SEP(L) aircraft under IFR after I do all that?

[BillieBob]

Just spent an hour and a half digging through EC 1178/2011.

You missed Appendix 8 to Annex I 'Cross-crediting of the IR part of a class or type rating proficiency check'. Note, however, that this applies only to revalidation. The skill test for the MEIR will not revalidate your SE privileges but subsequent ME revalidations will.

[MichaelPL]

Thanks for the reply BillieBob. I did not miss the appendix, and I understand it in the same way as you put it - cross-credit applies only when revalidating IR/ME, not doing the check for the first time.

There have been a couple of posts in this thread though stating that if one posesses a valid IR/ME (like I will when I gain it) one is also entitled to fly SEP in IFR (so - no need to revalidate IR/SE ?)

Thing is, I cannot find anything to confirm this in 1178/2011.

[BillieBob]

Probably because that was the case under JARs. JAR-FCL 1.180 stated "....the privileges of a holder of a multi-engine IR(A) are to pilot multi-engine and single-engine aeroplanes under IFR....". However, that privilege was not carried over to Part-FCL and, unless and until the law is changed or the competent authority issues a derogation under Article 14(7), cross-crediting does not apply to the skill test for initial issue of an IR.

Another example of the dangers of allowing a bunch of inept bureaucrats loose on something they patently don't understand.

[MichaelPL]

Thanks.

So that just confirms what I've been fearing - to retain the privilege of flying single engine under IFR I'll need to do a IR/SE revalidation on top of all that. Eh

[pipertommy]

Question regards the seven year rule. I hold an expired ME/IR, if I revalidate my IR on SE/IR for say ten years for example and then I want to revalidate my IR on a ME a/c to regain my ME/IR where would I stand ? Basically would I have retake the whole ME/IR course ? Ect
Thanks

[mad_jock]

I don't think you would have to do the IR course again but you would have to redo the mep class.

[pipertommy]

Thanks mad jock. My MEP gone with easa rule as it was last renewed over 3 years ago.
All I am thinking is SE IR for now and revalidate the ME IR if a job opportunity presented for TR requirements.

[BillieBob]

Your MEP has not 'gone', it has simply expired and may be renewed at any appropriate ATO by completing whatever training is required to re-achieve the standard required to pass a proficiency check. This myth about ratings being 'lost' after a period of time seems widespread.

[mad_jock]

I love you to tell us which ATO won't extract the full class rating course for MEP out of a pilot for more than 3 years out of check.

Two OPC's, 500 hours a year in a twin turbo prop and they still want me to do the whole thing again. So a full course to learn how to use mixture levers and cowl flaps again.

[pipertommy]

Thanks. I'm struggling to workout exactly these new rules. Confusion indeed

[pipertommy]

I would like to check that it's still possible to hold a MEIR without a valid MEP rating ? ie for TR purposes

[Jet Simulation]

Pipertommy,

Yes you can. for a TR purpose, you require a valid MEIR, not an MEP. However as you have to renew your IR in the aircraft every other year, you might as well do the MEP at the same time to keep it on your licence. It will be cheaper than having to take an aircraft up especially for an MEP as the test can be covered during the IR renewal as well.

[drag king]

Two OPC's, 500 hours a year in a twin turbo prop and they still want me to do the whole thing again. So a full course to learn how to use mixture levers and cowl flaps again.

Didn't have to go that far to renew my FI, so I would take that the same ATO won'r rip me off on this matter neither. Maybe you'll have to cross the border before Scotland's independence...

[pipertommy]

Thanks JS, ! Appreciated.
I have almost saved the funds to get the ratings back. Just vague on the MEP which expired back in 2009...... whole course again or additional required training?? I`ll be contacting an ATO soon and all should become clear

[Norcat]

If this topic has not been completely flogged to death, I am still a little grey on one area of the ME and IR "validity".
Having determined that MEP expires after 3 years, and IR expires after 7 years, when does your MEIR expire?
To the point it cannot be used to comply with entry requirements for a MPA Turbojet Type Rating Course.