large jets straight from frozen atpl?
No, you should pay more attention to detail. I said MOST of the BACE redundancies will come from crew moving to the main line or retiring.
And it's hardly a great deal in the general sceme of things, is it?
The BA cadets who were given posts in January/February with BACE after completing their training have been assured that their jobs are safe, so IF redundancies were obligatory, would they not be the first to go?
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Yet AGAIN, your information is inaccurate. The BA cadets are under contract with BACE, on BACE pay packages and are not bound to the mainline (yet).
No, you didn't say that it wasn't a great deal in the grand sceme of things. It was a rhetorical question. You were implying that the whole industry is in a terrible state, and I am arguing that it is not: "Face it guys. Only this week BACE has announced dozens and dozens of pilot jobs to be axed." My point was it's hardly dozens and dozens and they are hardly being axed.
My only point in persuing this argument is that your rhetoric has pearls of wisdom scattered throughout. Unfortunately, you can not resist the odd chunk of absolute codswallop just to fill the pages.
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No, you didn't say that it wasn't a great deal in the grand sceme of things. It was a rhetorical question. You were implying that the whole industry is in a terrible state, and I am arguing that it is not: "Face it guys. Only this week BACE has announced dozens and dozens of pilot jobs to be axed." My point was it's hardly dozens and dozens and they are hardly being axed.
My only point in persuing this argument is that your rhetoric has pearls of wisdom scattered throughout. Unfortunately, you can not resist the odd chunk of absolute codswallop just to fill the pages.
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Heh - WWW, you may have met your nemisis in ff; she's even sharper than you if you slip up on the odd redundant conditional sub-clause 
Aannnyyyway.. I'm going to pitch my tent firmly(ish) in the Welshman's camp on this particular topic. The industry is in a terrible state if you have just passed your IR. There are no jobs out there for you. Certainly not in a jet, wide or narrow, as the original poster was asking.
If someone wants to say Ryanair, or whoever, hired 5 200 hr F/Os last month, I will respond with the CAA figures for the numbers of licences issued in that particular month. Let us not bore each other ! Ratios, you see.
As to sponsorships... I must place a guy-rope of my tent on to ff's pitch. I suspect you are both right, but the majority of 'sponsorships' will be similar to the Astraeus scheme, requiring a CPL to get a look-in, whilst a few airlines will continue with ab-initio sponsorships. The company I work for is already gearing up for a new scheme, but unfortunately for those looking, they are returning to a previous system of offering them in-house to cabin crew/staff first, before looking outside.
FF is right - there are considerable benefits to the airline in offering ab-initios. They are not charities and wouldn't do it if they didn't get a reasonable return for their investment. And sticking my left leg on the other side of the fence, why bother when there are 100 new CPL holders banging on your door who've already paid for the blue book and have proved some aptitude ?
As for 200 hour longhaul pilots... well...ermm.. it's obviously possible but I wouldn't want to be that RHS on my first sector after line training when the old codger next to me croaked it on an approach into some African airfield. I don't think I'd want to be in the back either. I think I would make it my immediate business to be nowhere near that aircraft and although I know I'm being flippant about it, the serious reality is that 200 hours is not enough for 2-crew longhaul.
Fire away.
Aannnyyyway.. I'm going to pitch my tent firmly(ish) in the Welshman's camp on this particular topic. The industry is in a terrible state if you have just passed your IR. There are no jobs out there for you. Certainly not in a jet, wide or narrow, as the original poster was asking.
If someone wants to say Ryanair, or whoever, hired 5 200 hr F/Os last month, I will respond with the CAA figures for the numbers of licences issued in that particular month. Let us not bore each other ! Ratios, you see.
As to sponsorships... I must place a guy-rope of my tent on to ff's pitch. I suspect you are both right, but the majority of 'sponsorships' will be similar to the Astraeus scheme, requiring a CPL to get a look-in, whilst a few airlines will continue with ab-initio sponsorships. The company I work for is already gearing up for a new scheme, but unfortunately for those looking, they are returning to a previous system of offering them in-house to cabin crew/staff first, before looking outside.
FF is right - there are considerable benefits to the airline in offering ab-initios. They are not charities and wouldn't do it if they didn't get a reasonable return for their investment. And sticking my left leg on the other side of the fence, why bother when there are 100 new CPL holders banging on your door who've already paid for the blue book and have proved some aptitude ?
As for 200 hour longhaul pilots... well...ermm.. it's obviously possible but I wouldn't want to be that RHS on my first sector after line training when the old codger next to me croaked it on an approach into some African airfield. I don't think I'd want to be in the back either. I think I would make it my immediate business to be nowhere near that aircraft and although I know I'm being flippant about it, the serious reality is that 200 hours is not enough for 2-crew longhaul.
Fire away.
FemaleFlyer - I was told by one BACE Airtours loaned cadet that the BA sponsored guys going to BACE would be on mainline contracts. Obviously he was wrong but he seemed like a good source.
The BACE cuts ARE significant to Wannabes. It means there will be some qualified pilots looking for work, it means new jobs in BACE will not be advertised for a long time, it means early retirers will turn up at interviews for any other jobs going in the industry, it means what were great solid Wannabe first airlines (Brymon and Brit Regional) are not recruiting for the next 18 months+
Can I just ask you out of curiousity what your position in aviation is?
I wonder what is going to happen to BACE what with Airtours and BA cadets currently in FO positions with them awaiting an upturn in their parent airlines.
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The BACE cuts ARE significant to Wannabes. It means there will be some qualified pilots looking for work, it means new jobs in BACE will not be advertised for a long time, it means early retirers will turn up at interviews for any other jobs going in the industry, it means what were great solid Wannabe first airlines (Brymon and Brit Regional) are not recruiting for the next 18 months+
Can I just ask you out of curiousity what your position in aviation is?
I wonder what is going to happen to BACE what with Airtours and BA cadets currently in FO positions with them awaiting an upturn in their parent airlines.
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Funny. I was chatting to a pilot who had just quit his job as he was starting with BACE. He also claimed they would be looking at conducting 60-65 interviews soon. I wonder if he has a sore head at the moment?
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WWW and FEMALEFLYER
Nope...no ab-initio girl pilots in EK....infact no girls at all! Yet! and oh by the way no A340 either.....and darn anotherone no cruisepilots in EK.
If you want the facts, ask on the middel east forum. This forum here is not very well informed! but loads of fun to read
Enjoy...
Nope...no ab-initio girl pilots in EK....infact no girls at all! Yet! and oh by the way no A340 either.....and darn anotherone no cruisepilots in EK.
If you want the facts, ask on the middel east forum. This forum here is not very well informed! but loads of fun to read
Enjoy...
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hey guys........intersting topic .........
would emirates be interested to hire pilots from places like bangladesh/india/pakistan (self sponsored) who have around 300 hours in the air? say, 100 of them r jet engine time and the license is from either australia or f.a.a?
could someone lemme know?
take care
ciao
shifatur
would emirates be interested to hire pilots from places like bangladesh/india/pakistan (self sponsored) who have around 300 hours in the air? say, 100 of them r jet engine time and the license is from either australia or f.a.a?
could someone lemme know?take care
ciao
shifatur
No; they wouldn't.
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