Is it worth it?
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I have been researching and looking around since I was 17 probably, and was always postponing going in for the ATPL all this time, so much so I got a degree since then!
Try Ultra lights and become an ultra light instructor, that's the best flying for so little investment. Since you have a degree, keep your job during the week, and enjoy your weekends doing some real flying.
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You'll hear a load of moaning and groaning about "crap" pay is on here.
The lady who cleans my house speaks 6 languages and charges €33 for 6 hours work.
Put's it into perspective for all you greedy moaners out there who say their job is boring doing the same thing. Beats scrubbing my dirty floors all day.
Looking in the terms and endearments board I'd be delirious with the money some pilots earn.
But still, I wouldn't go into any career for the money.
The lady who cleans my house speaks 6 languages and charges €33 for 6 hours work.
Put's it into perspective for all you greedy moaners out there who say their job is boring doing the same thing. Beats scrubbing my dirty floors all day.
Looking in the terms and endearments board I'd be delirious with the money some pilots earn.
But still, I wouldn't go into any career for the money.
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I believe the majority of people moaning about unemployment are the ones who are searching for a job in the neighbourhood. Aviation is synonimous of working wherever in the world is possible, you can't expect to find it in your town. I don't believe this crap that pilots don't get a job!
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I started the integrated course in 2010, which was after 2 years of recession and betting on a positive outcome by this year. But nonetheless, here we still are in recession in Europe.
Oh and FTO are just out to get your money, it shows how arrogant some of them are: We have pilot jobs, enroll today, get hired tomorrow!.
Oh and FTO are just out to get your money, it shows how arrogant some of them are: We have pilot jobs, enroll today, get hired tomorrow!.
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I know it depends on individual circumstances and preferences BUT from the networking i have been doing and the research; i do believe you can have fun flying, all the way past 1000+ hours.......then if your flexible and willing no doubt there WILL be jobs around. Just maybe not on THAT aerodrome that you WANT to fly from...
Its only my opinion and i fully understand everyone has their very own circumstances to consider......
Regards
Its only my opinion and i fully understand everyone has their very own circumstances to consider......
Regards
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If you can afford to P2F and your willing to make a huge career gamble then yes i believe its a job. If you have circumstances where this is not a feasible option then NO its a place to avoid!
I think if the P2F contracts increase or extend over here in the EU then other countries may capitalise on that and bring our pilot across. Again if it is feasible.
I think a certain degree of finding a job MUST come down to who you know and networking?
Please correct me (nicely) if i am wrong?
I think if the P2F contracts increase or extend over here in the EU then other countries may capitalise on that and bring our pilot across. Again if it is feasible.
I think a certain degree of finding a job MUST come down to who you know and networking?
Please correct me (nicely) if i am wrong?
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Consider this, Jacol..
You say that you are happy to consider any type of flying... but so are thousands of others.. probably several thousands...who knows?
While the training schools continue to turn out hordes of newly qualified candidates (and with no evidence that there is any improvement in employment prospects) that queue is just getting longer and longer.
Is it worth it? After your years of research, I believe you already know the answer! Good Luck all the same. TP
While the training schools continue to turn out hordes of newly qualified candidates (and with no evidence that there is any improvement in employment prospects) that queue is just getting longer and longer.
Is it worth it? After your years of research, I believe you already know the answer! Good Luck all the same. TP
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Originally Posted by michaelmedley
If you can afford to P2F and your willing to make a huge career gamble then yes i believe its a job. If you have circumstances where this is not a feasible option then NO its a place to avoid
A job is something that you do and get remunerated for.
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Flying is a relatively low skill job for the amount of kudos it is believed to hold.
Each time I trundle past Concorde House at LGW there are plenty of grinning kids that are the spit of 'the milky bar kid'. (if you are old enough to remember the adverts?)
Why are they there? I think we all know the answer and it's got stuff all to do with a desire to fly.
Sadly, this means that salary levels will constantly be under pressure whilst the perceived job kudos remains high. Joe Public aint going to pay for our pose. He will however enjoy some cheap airfares.
Those of us already in the system (I am ex Military now flying a CJ3) are absolutely stuck where we are. There is no movement up or even horizontally.
Nothing can be done.
Every month more 'milky bar kids' remortgage their parents house and further kill the profession. King Canute demonstrated his inability to hold back the tide. You will understand the metaphor. Tarquin has sold his folks the dream; he's on his way now. No post on pprune will cast doubt on his FTO's advise; confirmation bias is ticked, and cheques are signed.
Some very silly little boys paid Cabair £70k up front; lost every single penny with nothing to show for it. The very next day these same idiots were seeking to 'start over' ; paying the whole again to join another integrated course.
This fact alone best demonstrates the mindset of those seeking to join the profession and why sadly, no, it is not worth it on any level.
Still coming though aren't you.
Each time I trundle past Concorde House at LGW there are plenty of grinning kids that are the spit of 'the milky bar kid'. (if you are old enough to remember the adverts?)
Why are they there? I think we all know the answer and it's got stuff all to do with a desire to fly.
Sadly, this means that salary levels will constantly be under pressure whilst the perceived job kudos remains high. Joe Public aint going to pay for our pose. He will however enjoy some cheap airfares.
Those of us already in the system (I am ex Military now flying a CJ3) are absolutely stuck where we are. There is no movement up or even horizontally.
Nothing can be done.
Every month more 'milky bar kids' remortgage their parents house and further kill the profession. King Canute demonstrated his inability to hold back the tide. You will understand the metaphor. Tarquin has sold his folks the dream; he's on his way now. No post on pprune will cast doubt on his FTO's advise; confirmation bias is ticked, and cheques are signed.
Some very silly little boys paid Cabair £70k up front; lost every single penny with nothing to show for it. The very next day these same idiots were seeking to 'start over' ; paying the whole again to join another integrated course.
This fact alone best demonstrates the mindset of those seeking to join the profession and why sadly, no, it is not worth it on any level.
Still coming though aren't you.
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Hi Guys
I have a UK CPL and trying to build some hours.. Willing to fly for free... plse contact myself.
I have a UK CPL and trying to build some hours.. Willing to fly for free... plse contact myself.
Saw this in the UKGA newsletter today. This guy obviously has no clue what working for free achieves. Unfortunately everyone else that would like to work as a pilot is up against tools like him.
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you can not see the wings from the cockpit, if you want a nice view , take a ticket with a lcc, and buy a simulator nitendo (if it exists). so you can play the pilot.
considering the recession, not worth to invest 100'000 euro in a training which will bring you to the long line of unemployed pilots (by thousand) or waiting for years for a pay to fly program.
with 100'000 euro, you can buy a nice house somewhere, or have your little glider,...or money for your kids, education, you can keep it and save it at 4-5%, that bring you 416 euro a month.with compound interest after 30 years, you make 432'194 euro.1800 euro a month at 55-60 years old when most pilots will be in the street!
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considering the recession, not worth to invest 100'000 euro in a training which will bring you to the long line of unemployed pilots (by thousand) or waiting for years for a pay to fly program.
with 100'000 euro, you can buy a nice house somewhere, or have your little glider,...or money for your kids, education, you can keep it and save it at 4-5%, that bring you 416 euro a month.with compound interest after 30 years, you make 432'194 euro.1800 euro a month at 55-60 years old when most pilots will be in the street!
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Wingreencard could not be more right! Just listen to the people that have walked the walk. Don't let any picture of a beautiful cloud deck fool you... Last time I checked, pictures don't pay bills...
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I hate to state the obvious, but where do you think that photo was taken from?
A319, wings are in good view, A320 just the wing fences, A321 Nowt, B777 Forget it, especially the 300!!! Want to see the wings, go down the cabin. B744 The wing tips are bl**by miles back, damn swept wing 70's coal burner!
Most of the time you just get to see black with a couple of 'prutty stars'.
Still not worth it.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
Hey Mutt, if they think a Gulfstream is very small jet, then I'd hate to think what they'd describe a Hawker....
For me, it's worth it. But it wasn't an easy journey.
For me, it's worth it. But it wasn't an easy journey.