Good aviation news?
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Good aviation news?
Hello guys, this is quite a non-urgent thread but I just wanted to hear what you all think.
There is so much doom and gloom surrounding this industry, and I know that most of it is true and there isn't much to celebrate - and rightly so, too. It's good to be realistic but I'm wondering if there is any good news floating about??? Anybody have any fun, inspiring or just plainly bright stories to share before we (and I) get completely sucked into this black hole of despair?
Please share and converse!
Thanks!
There is so much doom and gloom surrounding this industry, and I know that most of it is true and there isn't much to celebrate - and rightly so, too. It's good to be realistic but I'm wondering if there is any good news floating about??? Anybody have any fun, inspiring or just plainly bright stories to share before we (and I) get completely sucked into this black hole of despair?
Please share and converse!
Thanks!
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Forums are doom and gloom in general. Been a member of many different ones and it's full of negativity. Mainly because people aren't interested in good news. There was some report somewhere that said humans that aren't involved in the situation (everyone on here are involved so let's take Joe Public) like to hear bad news. If they hear bad news, depending on the situation, sometimes they want the situation to get worse. They don't realise this, but it's true. Why do you think the news paper and news channels are full of depressing stuff. Nobody cares about good news. If SkyNews was full of "A380s are doing well" well nobody cares. But if it was "Major faults found in A380s" everyone would be on their toes. And then if SkyNews said "faults fixed" then it's like oh. But if situation gets worse, keeps more people hooked. I think it all stems back to times before cave men when humans only first started working in teams rather than individuals. They lived in tribes and hearing bad news about another tribe was good news as it meant they were being more successful.
The industry isn't as gloomy as others would like to have you think. I'm not even a pilot, I know a lot of them (ranging from early 20s to 50 years old) and none of them have said they dislike their job. But they do say only do the job if you love flying. Not if you want to fly a jet and wear the uniform to show your friends, but genuinely love being in the sky regardless of what you're doing.
It roots from some experience pilots who are used to having good conditions, paid and treated well. The younger generation are used to the opposite because most career industries have gone through the exact same thing when the younger generation grew up. Have you ever looked at pictures of your parents and thought WTF are you wearing? Same concept. They're used to that, you're not so you think it's crazy and ugly but your parents like it because that's what they grew up with.
Younger ones are used to it, experienced ones are fighting for it (and rightly so). P2F? Aviation is far from the only industry where you have to pay for experience and then are told to f off! Pay cuts? Where have you been the past 5 years if you think aviation are the only ones to have pay cuts? More working hours? Guess what, aviation isn't the only one!
Spoke to my hairdresser about this, everyone who worked there thought hairdressing/barber(ing) has been a dying trade for years. Speak to a well experienced pilot, he will probably say being a pilot is a dying trade. Speak to an 18 year old girl, thinks being a hair stylist is the best thing ever - ignore the stereotype if you will. Speak to a newly qualified pilot who just got his first job - best thing in the world!
A blacksmith from the 1700s that came to 2012 would think everybody has lost the art of being a blacksmith. My Dad is friends with a famous British actor who is active. This topic came up and conversation and he said actors have had to take and do jobs that they never dreamed of doing before the recession. He said he is always in the public eye but has had to do crapper jobs for less money if he wants to survive as an actor. Eventually, when the economy is back to normal again, he won't have to do rubbish acting work that typically relatively new actors do.
It's just the way the world works. And when the OP is 70 years old just a few years into retirement, he'll think how downhill being a pilot has gone.
The industry isn't as gloomy as others would like to have you think. I'm not even a pilot, I know a lot of them (ranging from early 20s to 50 years old) and none of them have said they dislike their job. But they do say only do the job if you love flying. Not if you want to fly a jet and wear the uniform to show your friends, but genuinely love being in the sky regardless of what you're doing.
It roots from some experience pilots who are used to having good conditions, paid and treated well. The younger generation are used to the opposite because most career industries have gone through the exact same thing when the younger generation grew up. Have you ever looked at pictures of your parents and thought WTF are you wearing? Same concept. They're used to that, you're not so you think it's crazy and ugly but your parents like it because that's what they grew up with.
Younger ones are used to it, experienced ones are fighting for it (and rightly so). P2F? Aviation is far from the only industry where you have to pay for experience and then are told to f off! Pay cuts? Where have you been the past 5 years if you think aviation are the only ones to have pay cuts? More working hours? Guess what, aviation isn't the only one!
Spoke to my hairdresser about this, everyone who worked there thought hairdressing/barber(ing) has been a dying trade for years. Speak to a well experienced pilot, he will probably say being a pilot is a dying trade. Speak to an 18 year old girl, thinks being a hair stylist is the best thing ever - ignore the stereotype if you will. Speak to a newly qualified pilot who just got his first job - best thing in the world!
A blacksmith from the 1700s that came to 2012 would think everybody has lost the art of being a blacksmith. My Dad is friends with a famous British actor who is active. This topic came up and conversation and he said actors have had to take and do jobs that they never dreamed of doing before the recession. He said he is always in the public eye but has had to do crapper jobs for less money if he wants to survive as an actor. Eventually, when the economy is back to normal again, he won't have to do rubbish acting work that typically relatively new actors do.
It's just the way the world works. And when the OP is 70 years old just a few years into retirement, he'll think how downhill being a pilot has gone.
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Thanks pudoc. Really interesting points! spicejetter I don't want to hear that crap from those guys - don't worry!
And talkpedlar...
that's quite patronising... and you should be glad that young folk like me are into aviation and are active on sites such as PPRuNe!!! Sorry if I am wasting my time... Dad...
And talkpedlar...
that's quite patronising... and you should be glad that young folk like me are into aviation and are active on sites such as PPRuNe!!! Sorry if I am wasting my time... Dad...
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Why don't you give your contribute seriously to the thread? 11 posts and only one was related to the topic. If you don't want to give contribute to the discussion then just don't write on here.
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That pic is very very funny, made me actually laugh out loud.
But, don't tear the poor kid to pieces. His (her?) posts are pretty daft, it's true. But he's a kid - when he's old enough and has worked his way through the minefield of commercial flight training, assuming he makes it, he'll be a lot less naive and will probably cringe when he realises how he comes across.
In the meantime, please at least cut him some slack.
The post recommending visiting integrated flight schools was actually a good recommendation. They will tell you a biased view of the upside, in the same way that, as previously explained, you'll tend to get a slightly biased view of the downside on here.
But, ultimately, you have to realise that really, this industry is always oversubscribed. It's like being a wannabe actor in Hollywood. Everywhere you turn there are people waiting to make it, and there are always more that fail somewhere along the line than there are those that get their break. On top of that, terms and conditions are being eroded at an ever increasing rate of knots, but to be fair that's happening in every industry.
If you are aware of all of this (and surely you can't miss the subtle hints on here!) and you still want to do it, then go for it. But go for it with your eyes wide open, with realistic expectations, and a backup plan.
Re good news, well three people I know have got full commercial jobs in the last few months. There's someone posted earlier today regarding getting a job dropping skydivers. And the First Officer appears to have done a sterling job getting JetBlue191 down with no injuries - hopefully the Captain will be able to recover.
But, don't tear the poor kid to pieces. His (her?) posts are pretty daft, it's true. But he's a kid - when he's old enough and has worked his way through the minefield of commercial flight training, assuming he makes it, he'll be a lot less naive and will probably cringe when he realises how he comes across.
In the meantime, please at least cut him some slack.
The post recommending visiting integrated flight schools was actually a good recommendation. They will tell you a biased view of the upside, in the same way that, as previously explained, you'll tend to get a slightly biased view of the downside on here.
But, ultimately, you have to realise that really, this industry is always oversubscribed. It's like being a wannabe actor in Hollywood. Everywhere you turn there are people waiting to make it, and there are always more that fail somewhere along the line than there are those that get their break. On top of that, terms and conditions are being eroded at an ever increasing rate of knots, but to be fair that's happening in every industry.
If you are aware of all of this (and surely you can't miss the subtle hints on here!) and you still want to do it, then go for it. But go for it with your eyes wide open, with realistic expectations, and a backup plan.
Re good news, well three people I know have got full commercial jobs in the last few months. There's someone posted earlier today regarding getting a job dropping skydivers. And the First Officer appears to have done a sterling job getting JetBlue191 down with no injuries - hopefully the Captain will be able to recover.
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Thank you Jerry Lee. And thank you (I guess..) fwjc. Whether my posts are ''daft'' or not, I get results from them. I use PPruNe as a tool to get the aviation info I need, from (reasonably) reliable sources and that's that. With this thread I just wanted to have a bit of fun...sorry! Some people say that PPRuNe is crap these days because people just write sh*t comments and have a go at new- comers. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the picture, and I'd be lying if I said I couldn't see the funny side of it.. but right now it's not really so funny for me... I'm sorry I'm not a professional hard-boozing Sky God like most of you guys here, but I won't apologise for inquiring and trying to utilise PPruNe and maybe have a bit of fun!!! 
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With respect, you are wasting your time from the point of view that you ask reasonable questions to which a number of us with significant and broad aviation experience have taken the time to carefully answer and offer advice from our perspective to which you tend to post a few days later announcing that you've basically decided to disregard all the well intentioned recommendations based on the uninformed posting of another wannabe dreamer. If you are genuinely serious about a career in professional aviation, there are so many things you could be doing with your time rather than posting questions such as the above.
With respect, you are wasting your time from the point of view that you ask reasonable questions to which a number of us with significant and broad aviation experience have taken the time to carefully answer and offer advice from our perspective to which you tend to post a few days later announcing that you've basically decided to disregard all the well intentioned recommendations based on the uninformed posting of another wannabe dreamer. If you are genuinely serious about a career in professional aviation, there are so many things you could be doing with your time rather than posting questions such as the above.
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Wow, I had no idea people scrutinised my activity on PPRuNe so much. I honestly thought I was taking on board what people were saying and I thought I acknowledged that too. I have taken what people have told me on here and applied it to my decisions.
And, whatever you say mate, I think I haven't done anything wrong. This thread was clearly a mistake, (Can't even get more than 1 decent pertinent comment!) and I apologise for wasting all of your time. PPRuNe clearly isn't the right place for a thread like that.
Seeya on the flight deck haters
And, whatever you say mate, I think I haven't done anything wrong. This thread was clearly a mistake, (Can't even get more than 1 decent pertinent comment!
) and I apologise for wasting all of your time. PPRuNe clearly isn't the right place for a thread like that.Seeya on the flight deck haters
Reversebucket, is your reply for real? I've never seen someone write that long a sentence with so little punctuation. I've read your comment maybe ten times now, in particular the first ridiculously long sentence, each time trying to do it in one breath! Lowest I've managed so far is 3........
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Apologies, I saw that pic on another forum and thought it was hilarious so I lifted it from that forum (not aviation related) with intent to use it at another time.
Fortunately or unfortunately, the timing of your post was perfect. I was browsing on here minutes after you had posted your OP and I thought your post was ideal for me to respond with my Picard pic lol.
It was really unfortunate but the result has been hilarious, I can hardly type now even for laughing and am pretty sure my posting has tempered the whole of this discussion. I guess if I hadn't posted it, a normal, rational thread would have developed (well as normal and rational as you can get on pprune).
Apologies once again, I have no issues with your post, it just fitted well with the pic as I say. Excuse me now while I collect myself again and wipe the tears that are falling down mt cheeks away lol.
Apologies, I saw that pic on another forum and thought it was hilarious so I lifted it from that forum (not aviation related) with intent to use it at another time.
Fortunately or unfortunately, the timing of your post was perfect. I was browsing on here minutes after you had posted your OP and I thought your post was ideal for me to respond with my Picard pic lol.
It was really unfortunate but the result has been hilarious, I can hardly type now even for laughing and am pretty sure my posting has tempered the whole of this discussion. I guess if I hadn't posted it, a normal, rational thread would have developed (well as normal and rational as you can get on pprune).
Apologies once again, I have no issues with your post, it just fitted well with the pic as I say. Excuse me now while I collect myself again and wipe the tears that are falling down mt cheeks away lol.
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Good aviation news?
Well it mostly depends on where you were born.
Let's take an example: you were born in western europe. No good news sorry.
You were born in China and are a pilot wannabe: excellent news for you, you won't even have to pay for your training and will be airline CAPTAIN within 4 years after your CPL when still in your twenties... Maybe TRE/TRI before you reach 29 years old and will owne 2 or 3 appartment already...
It seems you are from western europe: too bad then. At 29 years old you'll most likely be begging for any job at mac donald's that might allow you to start to reimburse your huge debts.
Pudoc:
I have read about the famous studies proving the pessimistic persons have a much more accurate view of the reality than the optimistic ones (pessimistic realism), while this is true the optimistics are more likely to succeed.
Conclusion: listen to pessimistic persons if you really want to know the truth, and be optimistic in your life.
I am telling you that concerning western Europe pilot is a career for casino high risk players, and in the world the low cost airlines pilot (the ones that are the most common nowadays) will disappear within years (before even you can retire) due to the oil price that is going to boom.
And I am not known around me as a pessimistic person...
That is, the more pessimistic someone is, the more likely they are to suffer from depression. Depressed people are actually much better judges of reality. For instance they are better at judging when something they are doing is useless. So the more realistic someone is, the more likely he or she is to become depressed!
Surely there is a down side to optimism? Well, not really. The only likely harm of optimistic thinking is when we use over-optimism to shield ourselves from reality. Optimists tend to overestimate the likelihood of success so unrelenting optimism is not a perfect solution. Therefore it is better to be pessimistic in the planning stages but optimistic at most other times.
Depressive realism:
The French philosopher Voltaire's classic 1759 novella Candide: Or, Optimism deals with this subject and can be considered an early exploration of this psychological phenomenon. The story is an attack on Leibniz's optimistic theory that ours is the best of all possible worlds, a philosophy that is espoused by the character of Professor Pangloss even though the events around him are presented as unambiguously awful. Much of the humour in the story comes from Pangloss's rationalizations of these miserable and cataclysmic events as he will not admit that even the worst forms of individual human suffering are not all for the best. His position is counterpointed later in the book by the character of Martin, a more depressive character whose pessimistic philosophy may not be any better for getting along with life, but his viewpoint is certainly the least deluded as to the reality of the world around him. Candide's own conclusion on the subject can be summed up in his utterance that "Optimism is the madness of insisting that all is well when we are miserable."
In a nutshell: Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
Well it mostly depends on where you were born.
Let's take an example: you were born in western europe. No good news sorry.
You were born in China and are a pilot wannabe: excellent news for you, you won't even have to pay for your training and will be airline CAPTAIN within 4 years after your CPL when still in your twenties... Maybe TRE/TRI before you reach 29 years old and will owne 2 or 3 appartment already...
It seems you are from western europe: too bad then. At 29 years old you'll most likely be begging for any job at mac donald's that might allow you to start to reimburse your huge debts.
Pudoc:
Forums are doom and gloom in general. Been a member of many different ones and it's full of negativity. Mainly because people aren't interested in good news. There was some report somewhere that said humans that aren't involved in the situation (everyone on here are involved so let's take Joe Public) like to hear bad news.
Conclusion: listen to pessimistic persons if you really want to know the truth, and be optimistic in your life.
I am telling you that concerning western Europe pilot is a career for casino high risk players, and in the world the low cost airlines pilot (the ones that are the most common nowadays) will disappear within years (before even you can retire) due to the oil price that is going to boom.
And I am not known around me as a pessimistic person...
That is, the more pessimistic someone is, the more likely they are to suffer from depression. Depressed people are actually much better judges of reality. For instance they are better at judging when something they are doing is useless. So the more realistic someone is, the more likely he or she is to become depressed!
Surely there is a down side to optimism? Well, not really. The only likely harm of optimistic thinking is when we use over-optimism to shield ourselves from reality. Optimists tend to overestimate the likelihood of success so unrelenting optimism is not a perfect solution. Therefore it is better to be pessimistic in the planning stages but optimistic at most other times.
Depressive realism:
The French philosopher Voltaire's classic 1759 novella Candide: Or, Optimism deals with this subject and can be considered an early exploration of this psychological phenomenon. The story is an attack on Leibniz's optimistic theory that ours is the best of all possible worlds, a philosophy that is espoused by the character of Professor Pangloss even though the events around him are presented as unambiguously awful. Much of the humour in the story comes from Pangloss's rationalizations of these miserable and cataclysmic events as he will not admit that even the worst forms of individual human suffering are not all for the best. His position is counterpointed later in the book by the character of Martin, a more depressive character whose pessimistic philosophy may not be any better for getting along with life, but his viewpoint is certainly the least deluded as to the reality of the world around him. Candide's own conclusion on the subject can be summed up in his utterance that "Optimism is the madness of insisting that all is well when we are miserable."
In a nutshell: Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.
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Hmmmm interesting post KAG. What's stopping westerners such as myself taking advantage of this supposed Chinese good fortune? (it's usually the other way round lol) I'm getting what you're saying about the optimism/realism, though.
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