EFT and PanAm???
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TooHotToFly,
They're allowed a one off. Trevor was brave enough to send Mrs Towers solo at Brooksville long ago.
Regards from the Towers
Rob Lloyd
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They're allowed a one off. Trevor was brave enough to send Mrs Towers solo at Brooksville long ago.
Regards from the Towers
Rob Lloyd
[email protected]
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Inyoni
Your response above is one of the best bits of advice I have read on this forum for some time.
If everyone researched schools properly before spending their money, there would be fewer disapponted (and poorer) people around.
Are you who I think you are? (the non-English 'spokesman'?)
If so e-mail me on [email protected].
I am in touch with one of your countrymen who wants some advice on schools.
Your response above is one of the best bits of advice I have read on this forum for some time.
If everyone researched schools properly before spending their money, there would be fewer disapponted (and poorer) people around.
Are you who I think you are? (the non-English 'spokesman'?)
If so e-mail me on [email protected].
I am in touch with one of your countrymen who wants some advice on schools.
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In response to Mr Wood'S comments, here is a summary from the other side of the airport...
Rumers started circling around PAFPR (Pan Am Fort Pierce) about early Novembner time that Ben & Trevor were planning to start their own school up.
In December, including Ben & Trevor, we had 4 instructors on the JAA side and it was known that there would be the largest intake of JAA students so far (about 15ish I believe, taking our total JAA to just below 20) to arrive in the first week of January. This was leading to some concerns as to wether there would be enough instructors.
Just before new years day (when there is nobody around, Ben and Trevor resign by email. (The CAA approvals go with them in their name)
Pan Am finds itself screwed. No approvals to train, only 2 instructors and 15-20 students in a weeks time.
Could they do anything but beg Ben & Trevor to come back and pay them anything they asked for? (It's just my opinion but anyone else think this might have been planned?)
Ben & Trevor return at the end of the first week of Jan working under a contract from Pan Am with the newley formed EFT (which of course they own).
January continues with the two instructors and Ben & Trevor (who take on about 2 students between them - they obviously had a lot of sorting out to do with EFT to make sure that their pay checks never dropped below six figures, so couldn't strain themselves)
This left about 7/8 students each for the two instructors. So we all got to fly about once, sometimes twice a week if we were really good boys and girls. Ben & Trevor said that they were actively recruiting more instructors.
The situation becomes crazy with instructors working flat out to deliver that magic second lesson a week to some students.
The only people Ben and Trevor try to recruit are current students from Pan Am to their own school.
Eventually very public arguments become commonplace between them and the intructors.
Pan Am eject Ben & Trevor from the premises.
Trevor tries to prosecute on of the instructors for assualt, claiming that he "feared for his life" - Trevor is a black belt - the instructor probably would have problems wrestling a catepiller.
They also try to sue Pan Am for deformation of charactor.
As far as I know the both cases were dismissed.
Here's a few expansions on Mr Wood's comments:
>EFT will be offering a service with very >different training philosophies compared to >some of the larger schools.
Since we don't have any real backing we are likely to fold soon and take your money with with us.
>Positive Customer service and satisfaction, >value for money, kept promises, >uncompromising standards and safety to name >but a few.
We'll keep you here until you've funded our new school's setup, then we may pass you, since we are the examiners.
>What is often forgotten at larger schools >is that the student is also the customer
They have money we can take
>Both Trevor and myself have worked for a >number of schools, setting up and gaining >CAA and JAA approval.
And then attempting to destroying them - Air Safety, Flight Safety (anyone wondering why FS don't do CAA anymore?) and Pan Am.
>FAA regulations state that no school is >allowed to push out a new school or conduct >unfair business practices to interfere with >said school.
Perhaps you guys should have read that chapter before trying to steal the stduents from here. And if we needed any evidence YOU'VE GOT ONE OF OUR EX-STUDENTS AT THE MOMENT!
Life after Ben & Trevor
Magicaly we found some more instructors (strange that those two couldn't bring any along - must have been a shortage of unemployed pilots i guess!)
And now 3 flights a day, although tiring, is not unheard of. In summary their departure was the best thing that could have happened to Pan Am.
Rumers started circling around PAFPR (Pan Am Fort Pierce) about early Novembner time that Ben & Trevor were planning to start their own school up.
In December, including Ben & Trevor, we had 4 instructors on the JAA side and it was known that there would be the largest intake of JAA students so far (about 15ish I believe, taking our total JAA to just below 20) to arrive in the first week of January. This was leading to some concerns as to wether there would be enough instructors.
Just before new years day (when there is nobody around, Ben and Trevor resign by email. (The CAA approvals go with them in their name)
Pan Am finds itself screwed. No approvals to train, only 2 instructors and 15-20 students in a weeks time.
Could they do anything but beg Ben & Trevor to come back and pay them anything they asked for? (It's just my opinion but anyone else think this might have been planned?)
Ben & Trevor return at the end of the first week of Jan working under a contract from Pan Am with the newley formed EFT (which of course they own).
January continues with the two instructors and Ben & Trevor (who take on about 2 students between them - they obviously had a lot of sorting out to do with EFT to make sure that their pay checks never dropped below six figures, so couldn't strain themselves)
This left about 7/8 students each for the two instructors. So we all got to fly about once, sometimes twice a week if we were really good boys and girls. Ben & Trevor said that they were actively recruiting more instructors.
The situation becomes crazy with instructors working flat out to deliver that magic second lesson a week to some students.
The only people Ben and Trevor try to recruit are current students from Pan Am to their own school.
Eventually very public arguments become commonplace between them and the intructors.
Pan Am eject Ben & Trevor from the premises.
Trevor tries to prosecute on of the instructors for assualt, claiming that he "feared for his life" - Trevor is a black belt - the instructor probably would have problems wrestling a catepiller.
They also try to sue Pan Am for deformation of charactor.
As far as I know the both cases were dismissed.
Here's a few expansions on Mr Wood's comments:
>EFT will be offering a service with very >different training philosophies compared to >some of the larger schools.
Since we don't have any real backing we are likely to fold soon and take your money with with us.
>Positive Customer service and satisfaction, >value for money, kept promises, >uncompromising standards and safety to name >but a few.
We'll keep you here until you've funded our new school's setup, then we may pass you, since we are the examiners.
>What is often forgotten at larger schools >is that the student is also the customer
They have money we can take
>Both Trevor and myself have worked for a >number of schools, setting up and gaining >CAA and JAA approval.
And then attempting to destroying them - Air Safety, Flight Safety (anyone wondering why FS don't do CAA anymore?) and Pan Am.
>FAA regulations state that no school is >allowed to push out a new school or conduct >unfair business practices to interfere with >said school.
Perhaps you guys should have read that chapter before trying to steal the stduents from here. And if we needed any evidence YOU'VE GOT ONE OF OUR EX-STUDENTS AT THE MOMENT!
Life after Ben & Trevor
Magicaly we found some more instructors (strange that those two couldn't bring any along - must have been a shortage of unemployed pilots i guess!)
And now 3 flights a day, although tiring, is not unheard of. In summary their departure was the best thing that could have happened to Pan Am.
